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oil4u
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 Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:37 pm Post subject: Re: Attempts to Divide Venezuela Will Be Cause For War |
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| stu wrote: | | Cid_Yama wrote: | | Actually I was talking about the attempted Kosovoization of resource rich areas of countries, i.e. Bolivia. |
Spot on Cid.
Kosovo was the first thing that sprung to mind when I read the article.
This pattern of automonous regions seeking independence from the larger country can only exacabate existing problems.
If things go according to plan in the Scottish Parliament then in 2010 they will have a referendum on full independence which could lead to the break up of the UK. |
Great point! Why stop at Kosovoization. we really need to get right down to "neighbourhoodiznation". I mean really..I work for a Ford dealership, my neighbour 2 doors down works for KIA. I say we seperate!! Become enemies and try to kill each other. Man..the world is a stupid place. Bottome line is that I really don't give a flying f*** about anyone's stupid "cause" . CHAVEZ CAN ROT IN HELL AS FAR AS i'M CONCERNED |
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Denny
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:42 pm Post subject: Re: Attempts to Divide Venezuela Will Be Cause For War |
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Was it Venezuela or Columbia which used to posses the territory we now know as Panama? At the turn of the 20th century, it was an orchestrated movement by the U.S. to divide the country up. Theodore Roosevelt even boasted that while others debated it in Congress and others argued in the courts over the right of the U.S.A. to get involved in this and encourage the revolutionaries, he just got the job done.
I guess he was not too big on protocol. |
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stu
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:49 pm Post subject: Re: Attempts to Divide Venezuela Will Be Cause For War |
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| Denny wrote: | Was it Venezuela or Columbia which used to posses the territory we now know as Panama? At the turn of the 20th century, it was an orchestrated movement by the U.S. to divide the country up. Theodore Roosevelt even boasted that while others debated it in Congress and others argued in the courts over the right of the U.S.A. to get involved in this and encourage the revolutionaries, he just got the job done.
I guess he was not too big on protocol. |
If my memory serves me right USA bought it off Colombia to build the Panama Canal.
One wiki search later.
| Quote: | | In 1903 the United States and Colombia signed the Hay-Herran Treaty to finalize the construction of the Panama Canal but the process was not achieved because the Colombian congress did not pass the measure on August 12, 1903. This triggered the anger of separatist from Panama and other Panamanians who wanted the construction of the canal. The United States then moved to support the separatist movement in Panama. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_Panama_from_Colombia
So I was half right.
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stu
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:11 pm Post subject: Re: Chavez says Colombia seeks war with Venezuela |
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Cid_Yama
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 11:04 pm Post subject: Re: Chavez says Colombia seeks war with Venezuela |
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So I was half right.
Only if you close one eye.
Do you think the people of Panama spontaneously rose up at that very time to overthow the government and demand the US build a canal, so US ships could get through to the Pacific?
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mos6507
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: Attempts to Divide Venezuela Will Be Cause For War |
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| oil4u wrote: |
Great point! Why stop at Kosovoization. we really need to get right down to "neighbourhoodiznation". I mean really..I work for a Ford dealership, my neighbour 2 doors down works for KIA. I say we seperate!! Become enemies and try to kill each other. Man..the world is a stupid place.
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Bingo.
It's immaturity on the same level as Oscar and Felix splitting their apartment down the middle with a piece of masking tape. Really, rather than a celebration of 'culture', it just reflects on our inability to compromise or tolerate differences. |
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Nickel
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 3:09 pm Post subject: Re: Attempts to Divide Venezuela Will Be Cause For War |
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| mos6507 wrote: | | oil4u wrote: |
Great point! Why stop at Kosovoization. we really need to get right down to "neighbourhoodiznation". I mean really..I work for a Ford dealership, my neighbour 2 doors down works for KIA. I say we seperate!! Become enemies and try to kill each other. Man..the world is a stupid place.
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Bingo.
It's immaturity on the same level as Oscar and Felix splitting their apartment down the middle with a piece of masking tape. Really, rather than a celebration of 'culture', it just reflects on our inability to compromise or tolerate differences. |
So presumably you do think that Israel should disestablish itself as a Jewish state and simply become a true Middle Eastern democracy that is representative of all its people, a land, as you say, able to compromise and tolerant of differences. |
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pana_burda
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:21 am Post subject: Re: Chavez says Colombia seeks war with Venezuela |
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| Cid_Yama wrote: | So I was half right.
Only if you close one eye.
Do you think the people of Panama spontaneously rose up at that very time to overthow the government and demand the US build a canal, so US ships could get through to the Pacific? |
The Panamian case is pathetically enlightening about the imperial´s M.O. and how they create countries and legitimise governments.
Yesterday I learned it only took for the north american government 11 minutes to "accept" the creation of the new state of Israel.
The new "revolutionary" government of Cuba, was legitimised in power in less than 24 hour after the coup to Batista.
It was ONLY, after the newly established government of the newly created republic of Panama, agreed it was going to be them those to end up the construction of the waterway, that "recognised" the independence of such new country.
By the way Cid, excellent the term "kosovisation" you earlier used.
Such method will be successfully applied in my country too because of the centralisation process, we have being through systematically, for the last 5-6 years.
Economic resources, that once, by law, were due to the regions, from the central government, have been kidnapped by hugo and the tendency is to eliminate them from the national budget. The worst most outstanding case, with the excuse of its "governor", have been the oil producing state of Zulia. |
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Nickel
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 10:39 am Post subject: Re: Chavez says Colombia seeks war with Venezuela |
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| pana_burda wrote: | | Yesterday I learned it only took for the north american government 11 minutes to "accept" the creation of the new state of Israel. |
"United States government", por favor. |
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 10:56 am Post subject: Re: Chavez says Colombia seeks war with Venezuela |
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| Yup ...... sorry!! |
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mos6507
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 11:30 am Post subject: Re: Attempts to Divide Venezuela Will Be Cause For War |
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| Nickel wrote: |
So presumably you do think that Israel should disestablish itself as a Jewish state and simply become a true Middle Eastern democracy that is representative of all its people, a land, as you say, able to compromise and tolerant of differences.
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In an ideal world, yes. Right now? No. To use the Odd Couple reference again, we're not talking about Felix being upset that Oscar Madison won't clean up the apartment and then putting a piece of tape down the middle of their pad. We're talking about Felix also crossing the tape boundary and blowing one of Oscar's fingers off with an M80 in order to terrorize him into moving out of the apartment. |
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Nickel
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: Attempts to Divide Venezuela Will Be Cause For War |
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| mos6507 wrote: | | In an ideal world, yes. Right now? No. |
Translation: never. Too inconvenient. Requires compromise. Can't have it all their own way.
| mos6507 wrote: | | To use the Odd Couple reference again, we're not talking about Felix being upset that Oscar Madison won't clean up the apartment and then putting a piece of tape down the middle of their pad. We're talking about Felix also crossing the tape boundary and blowing one of Oscar's fingers off with an M80 in order to terrorize him into moving out of the apartment. |
As I recall, Felix was invited to share Oscar's apartment. He didn't blow up the King David Hotel to get the landlord out so he could kick in Oscar's door and have the place for himself. And in this case, Felix hasn't put tape on the floor. He's built a wall around what little room Oscar has left that reminds the world an awful lot of the wall the Germans built around the Warsaw Ghetto.
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 3:13 pm Post subject: Re: Chavez says Colombia seeks war with Venezuela |
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Palast claims the next war of aggression by the U.S is not going to be with Iran but Venezuela. Listen to this. He's hilarious. What a farce the Bush administration is:
http://actionpointonline.com//PR%205-18%209m29s%20Podcast.mp3 |
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