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UIUCstudent01
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:58 pm    Post subject: THE Gas Price Thread (merged) Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

CNN
The economy is going to be destroyed some say, but that won't happen for awhile. We can have people dig ditches, then fill those ditches up obviously.. but there's also some more practical ways of conserving... for example:
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Our business has had to consolidate daily car trips for delivery and pick up of our product (aircraft parts) to 3 days a week versus every day due to the increased price of fuel.
Steve Fogler, Milford, Connecticut

Obviously, this will ruin the economy.
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Biking to work most days, gas prices have not affected my routine at all. Even on the days when I must drive, it's a 3-mile round-trip, so the $2.79 price at the pump makes little difference. By choosing to live close to work and commute by bike, I daily and proudly assert my energy near-independence.
Michael Godsey, Portland, Oregon

We'll just ignore him, because he's a Portland, Oregon Hippie...
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It has change my whole daily routine. I bring lunch & snack, so I don't have to go out. If I need to go to a store,and it's not on my route home, I won't stop. I have to map out my weekend shopping stops. I really don't see it getting better any time soon. I'm currently paying $3.00 a gallon. I use to fill up on high grade for about $20, now it's about $35 for the cheapest I can find, which runs out quicker.
Nikki, Miami, Florida

Obviously, people having to plan and think about spending money is going to ripple throughout the economy. It will surely doom us.
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Due to the increase in gas prices I now carpool ($2.899 for regular unleaded). This decreases my daily costs and eliminates shopping after work. I'm saving money all the way around, but if more people are doing the same, that will have an effect on the economy. I will also do more recreation that I can walk or bike to. I have canceled my summer road trip this year because of the gas increase. I fear that gas could go as high as $4.00 per gallon. If so, I will be eliminating more from my life: land-line phone, cable etc.
Kathryn, Liverpool, New York

Obviously, she won't be stopping her cell phone or internet services. Some industries may be failing not because of Peak Oil, but because other technologies are replacing them in needs/wants. (See studies where kids now spend less time on the TV and more time on the internet...)
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I'm one of the many people that have to drive to work each day, my trip is 128 miles each day, I stop for gas every two days so it never gets too low. At this writing I'm paying $2.69 a gallon. The trouble is that price goes up every day. The Exxon 3 blocks from my home went from $2.59 to $2.73 in one night. I'm now going for $80.00 to $85.00 a week just for five days. I don't use the car on weekends if I don't have to. When is GEORGE going to do something about it????
Bill, Clifton, New Jersey

Bush Says He Expected Opposition to Iraq War
That's the actual headline!

There's some more blather about how we only have ourselves to blame (we have specific groups of people and companies to blame obviously - if it were up to me, I'd ban SUVs - I'm not taking responsibility for our horrendous fleet mileage).

Overall, it seems like people are doing OK. And since savings is negative, it's obvious the economy is doing well for now (but definitely not later). Conservation is good. But it's probably 1523x better to be using the oil to build a sustainable-super-tech society than burning it in SUVs and Airliners. So, in effect, conservation in areas of waste is GOOD. Conservation in building sustainable cities is BAD.
(I'm drunk with cynical sarcasm. Half of what you read is sarcastic, the other isn't. You figure it out.)
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:58 pm    Post subject: Re: How are you dealing with rising gas pirces? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

On my grad school salary last year (19K) these prices would be killing me. On my current salary (60K) it's not so bad. Still, I drive as little possible: to and from work (5.5 miles each way), and once a week trip to get mcdonalds, movies, random shopping, food for the week, and fillup on gas. Of course I sometimes have to make other trips too, but if I do I try to put it together with something else. I also take the slow way to work because it saves 1.5 miles of driving. I guess I'm doing this mostly as preparation, in addition to saving for a hybrid. I could handle the prices if I was still clueless.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 4:58 pm    Post subject: Re: How are you dealing with rising gas pirces? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I am going to use ETHOS FR, an additive used by the US Military and Bejing China to reduce pollution and gain 7%-19% more mileage.

http://www.sandiegomag.com/issues/april05/business0405.asp

http://ethos.12w.net

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 7:39 pm    Post subject: Re: How are you dealing with rising gas pirces? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

kaycee wrote:
I am going to use ETHOS FR, an additive used by the US Military and Bejing China to reduce pollution and gain 7%-19% more mileage.
http://www.sandiegomag.com/issues/april05/business0405.asp
http://ethos.12w.net
Brian C.

I remember they had tons of those cons and shams in the 70's during the oil embargo. Funny how little things have changed.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:13 pm    Post subject: Re: How are you dealing with rising gas pirces? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

gas burned in your vehicle is 98 percent combusted. you cannot get 20 percent more out of the gas.

you cant make the combustions gases higher pressure,

its non physical. (not calculaterable.

energy doesnt come out of anywhere.

it comes from inherent heat of vaporization and heat of combustion, and I know all the gas in my car cumbusts.

no gas runs out of the drainpipe.

you could walk, though.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:43 pm    Post subject: Re: How are you dealing with rising gas pirces? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I have call options on oil companies so as the price increases my profits increase even more. I like to think of it as "gas-hike insurance".

Eventually I can see myself planning my trips to maximize efficiency, but I'm not feeling the pain so far.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 10:11 pm    Post subject: Re: How are you dealing with rising gas pirces? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I'm testing the batteries in my solar powered electric car. I have a few weak ones. I'm going to replace/recycle them and drive it more often to offset the rising cost of gas. I can save the battery cost back by not driving the gasoline car as much. Simple as that, once you have the alternative infrastructure, the old oil-based transportation is irrelevant.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:31 am    Post subject: Re: How are you dealing with rising gas pirces? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

SolarDave - how about posting some details on your car?

Basically, we've become a society of spoiled slobs who think the world is ending if we're forced to (gasp) compromise our lifestyles a bit and change our plans. You won't find any of The Greatest Generation complaining!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 5:22 am    Post subject: Re: How are you dealing with rising gas pirces? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Frank wrote:
You won't find any of The Greatest Generation complaining!


Who are the Greatest Generation?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:24 am    Post subject: Re: How are you dealing with rising gas pirces? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

>> I remember they had tons of those cons and shams in the 70's during the oil embargo. Funny how little things have changed.

That Teflon oil additive worked! I out it in a small 1.8 liter car, and the idle revs shot up amazingly due to the reduced friction.

It may have reduced fuel consumption ... but sadly the PTFE articles tended to damage engines- especially old ones - by lodging in metal pores and then expanding sometimes causing cracks.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:34 am    Post subject: Re: How are you dealing with rising gas pirces? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

It's not affecting me significantly, because we drive so little and have a very fuel efficient vehicle.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 2:12 pm    Post subject: Re: How are you dealing with rising gas pirces? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Public transport for me, although my train tickets are going up (journey 50 miles each way).

Unfortunately it's not a good solution because local bus stations are closing due to increasing costs Confused

I'm a student so I aren't rolling in money.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:46 pm    Post subject: Re: How are you dealing with rising gas pirces? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Frank wrote:
SolarDave - how about posting some details on your car?

It's probably more than you were asking for, but:
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:14 pm    Post subject: Re: How are you dealing with rising gas pirces? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

the girl and i moved off the east coast (richmond va) to a economically depressed area (huntington wv), sold our van, got bikes and started making most of our own crap (medicine, ect). we got jobs in restauraunts and I was makeing like 9-20$/hr bartendingfor about a year and a half. we funneled it all into survival gear, tools, bike equipment/clothing, food store, ect. the high gas prices after katrina cut my income down to barely above minimum. we downshifted to 6.00/hr jobs in small business grocery/ veterinarian respectively. retail sucks (she loves vet teching regardless of the money) but going local versus corperate restaurants gives us the comfort of being in industries that dont rely on peoples disposable income. (and the chicken restaurant I was working in is suffering from peoples fears of bird flu)

So because we dont drive these prices dont affect us directly, but because of disposable income drop in others budgets, our lives have changed significantly. now we are gardening voraciously with all our spare money and energy. its tight but we have cushioning everywhere. stocks of food, herbal medicine, bike parts, ect. our income combined is 1500 a month wheras our expenses are about 900 a month so we are able to keep up the stocks and expand some into new sustainability projects.

so we feel it and have felt it but not directly.

--frater coyote
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 5:53 am    Post subject: Re: How are you dealing with rising gas pirces? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I'm fortunate enough that in the summer I take off my teaching hat and put on my farming hat.

I stay home.
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