Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:39 am Post subject: Re: Forgive me for being irritating.
Quote:
Do I believe in heaven? Yes, absolutely.
Do I believe I'll be there? No - that is not my destiny.
well my view of heaven is a crisp Indian summer morning, a clear mountain stream, my handy dandy #1 fly rod, a handful of dry flys and a few stone flys (just in case), a bottle of good single malt in my satchel and my dog running about nearby chasing the rock rabbits. Definitely my destiny, easily optainable.
Point being I agree with Jack, life's too short to be worrying about impending armagedon. For all you know we could get smacked by a rogue meteorite that would wipe out civilization completely, we could quickly slide into a new glaciation period that would pretty much make all your plans for planting null and void. Enjoy life while you can, worrying about things that might happen is a fools errand...it wastes valuable time and energy.
The world is still a marvelous place....enjoy it, I guaranty it will still be here long after you're gone.
BTW on the subject of chicken fried steak ...I believe most of the world's ill's can be blamed on this invention. George Bush is a big fan of CFS....texas style. Likely his insanity is linked to copious ingestion of this toxic delicacy. Ahmadenjad, Bin Ladin, Chavez, Kim II Sung......the only reason they hate the US is because they have been denied access to the addictive CFS....they crave the gravy and biscuits and chitlins and are willing to do anything to get them. CFS is probably the most significant WMD ever!
Joined: May 13, 2005 Posts: 3065 Location: The Urban Village
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:47 am Post subject: Re: Forgive me for being irritating.
Ferretlover wrote:
Threadbear wrote:
It seems that those with the means are going to try to commandeer every last drop of water, oil, and all of the food crops, and ratchet the prices up....Pirate style. I don't like it.
I don't like it either. What really makes me mad/sad is that that I can't make "them" do the right thing by myself, and that I recognise I don't have the ...ability?... power?... to make enough people understand the problem and convince/force "them" to do the right thing.
You sound like me when I first got involved in local community politics and governing. There are those who want to be 'independent' - the lone wolf. I was never one of those. But I did want everyone in my community to do the 'right' thing (i.e. what I know to be right). I learned and was taught that it doesn't work that way. Consensus building is a long and tedious process, although it can be non-linear (change rapidly due to external factors). The process itself builds the community. There is power in interdependent groups. Army's work this way as well as city-states, villages, animal packs (obviously with different mechanisms). Interdependent groups that know how to reach consensus have political, economic, physical power. Anyway, things move in baby steps until there is a crisis, then I believe it will prove to be helpful to have been establishing mature, effective community processes that can be applied.
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:51 am Post subject: Re: Forgive me for being irritating.
Thinking out loud:
I wonder why it always seems easier to determine what is the wrong thing to do/be than to determine what the right thing would do/be? _________________ "RRrrruuuunnnn!!!" ~Apocalypto
Joined: Aug 24, 2005 Posts: 440 Location: Costa Geriatrica, Spain
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:57 am Post subject: Re: Forgive me for being irritating.
MD wrote:
Kingcoal wrote:
What exactly is chicken fried steak? Is it a beef steak fried in chicken fat? Pardon my ignorance, but I'm from Philly and I know only of cheesesteaks.
Steak that's fried chicken style, coated in batter and pan fried in oil.
Thanks for the info. That's the most disgusting thing I've heard this week.
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:16 am Post subject: Re: Forgive me for being irritating.
It has always been about controlling resources. The stuff we buy, even our crappy wooden homes, are just metals, oil, and timber packaged up and made shiny and pretty. We live in Suburban Ghettos because we are easy to control that way. If you have a big ranch, farm or some industrial timberlands you don't want people nosying around and stealing firewood and game. You don't want people to be producers you want them to be consumers of your, the real wealth.
All revolutions are about land and redistribution. It will not happen here because most Americans don't even know what real land is, or what to do with it. They have been herded and are willing to feed and die in their paddocks. _________________ ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:19 am Post subject: Re: Forgive me for being irritating.
skeptik wrote:
MD wrote:
Kingcoal wrote:
What exactly is chicken fried steak? Is it a beef steak fried in chicken fat? Pardon my ignorance, but I'm from Philly and I know only of cheesesteaks.
Steak that's fried chicken style, coated in batter and pan fried in oil.
Thanks for the info. That's the most disgusting thing I've heard this week.
No it is not. It is just a good old veal cutlet. They take the tougher tastier cuts of meat, and beat them with spiked hammers to tenderize the stuff. They call it 'cube steak' or the such.
I love to eat Humboldt Grass Fed chicken fried steaks, just a short walk from my groovy Cohousing Community. Yum good _________________ ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:54 am Post subject: Re: Forgive me for being irritating.
MD wrote:
Kingcoal wrote:
What exactly is chicken fried steak? Is it a beef steak fried in chicken fat? Pardon my ignorance, but I'm from Philly and I know only of cheesesteaks.
Steak that's fried chicken style, coated in batter and pan fried in oil.
good for breakfast with eggs and gravy.
it's crazy how regional food is with all of the ease of travel, populations migrating around the globe, raw ingredients loaded into refrigerated trucks, etc. and yet, at the pinnacle of the age of oil you still can't a good NY slice in Texas, a good SF style burrito in Massachusetts, a good cheese-steak in Florida, or good BBQ in California. What's up with that?
So now we're berating each other for how much or how little we care for morality, suffering, and the end of civilization? we suck. none of us know each other well enough for that, which pretty much guarantees that any comments about someone else's moral turpitude or naiveties are more likely emissions of our own buried fears, for we are each of us our own psychology's bitch.
Joined: Sep 14, 2004 Posts: 6624 Location: Rural Virginia
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 11:12 am Post subject: Re: Forgive me for being irritating.
pstarr wrote:
It has always been about controlling resources. The stuff we buy, even our crappy wooden homes, are just metals, oil, and timber packaged up and made shiny and pretty. We live in Suburban Ghettos because we are easy to control that way. If you have a big ranch, farm or some industrial timberlands you don't want people nosying around and stealing firewood and game. You don't want people to be producers you want them to be consumers of your, the real wealth.
All revolutions are about land and redistribution. It will not happen here because most Americans don't even know what real land is, or what to do with it. They have been herded and are willing to feed and die in their paddocks.
Excellent post. A gem. Nails it. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---Me and my brother
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 11:35 am Post subject: Re: Forgive me for being irritating.
Heineken wrote:
T-bear, your OP lacks the usual intellectual sparkle of your stuff.
We already know all this. We know you know it and you know we know it.
Yes, commodities are the only real game in town, and greedy clever people will try to make hay out of them while the haymaking's good. So what is new here?
Actually Heineken, you missed the point. It's not just about greedy clever people. That's the alarming part. It's about the average investing schmuck, who has a few dollars to throw around, subject to mainstream media, that neutralizes the morality of investments. He/she isn't encouraged to reflect on the consequences of his/her actions.
CNBC's latest appeals to their viewer-ship-- This is almost a direct quote, "Private prisons. How you can get some of that action!"
also--"Vice funds" Recession signals are good for Vice!
You will notice that I opened by apologizing for being irritating and reiterating, endlessly. But the thread seems to have gotten response.
I don't believe a thread has been started, discussing investing from a purely moral perspective. I've framed most of my objections to the way people invest, in appeals to their self interest.
There are many people on this forum, who for one reason or another don't invest. Whether they are living a life of voluntary or involuntary simplicity, they are probably doing the right thing.
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 11:37 am Post subject: Re: Forgive me for being irritating.
Heineken wrote:
pstarr wrote:
It has always been about controlling resources. The stuff we buy, even our crappy wooden homes, are just metals, oil, and timber packaged up and made shiny and pretty. We live in Suburban Ghettos because we are easy to control that way. If you have a big ranch, farm or some industrial timberlands you don't want people nosying around and stealing firewood and game. You don't want people to be producers you want them to be consumers of your, the real wealth.
All revolutions are about land and redistribution. It will not happen here because most Americans don't even know what real land is, or what to do with it. They have been herded and are willing to feed and die in their paddocks.
Excellent post. A gem. Nails it.
That's why I like you Heiny. You understand stuff (and know to spell ) _________________ ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 11:52 am Post subject: Re: Forgive me for being irritating.
pstarr wrote:
It has always been about controlling resources. The stuff we buy, even our crappy wooden homes, are just metals, oil, and timber packaged up and made shiny and pretty. We live in Suburban Ghettos because we are easy to control that way. If you have a big ranch, farm or some industrial timberlands you don't want people nosying around and stealing firewood and game. You don't want people to be producers you want them to be consumers of your, the real wealth.
All revolutions are about land and redistribution. It will not happen here because most Americans don't even know what real land is, or what to do with it. They have been herded and are willing to feed and die in their paddocks.
So you have no problem with Vulture capital, working through real estate investment trusts, for example, buying up distressed American mortgage debt for pennies on the dollar? You realize, through this and other processes, the U.S loses sovereignty? Do you have any idea where this process ultimately leads?
I really hate the, "It's always been this way". It hasn't. That is simple acquiesance to a situation that is in no way, inevitable.
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:00 pm Post subject: Re: Forgive me for being irritating.
threadbear wrote:
pstarr wrote:
It has always been about controlling resources. The stuff we buy, even our crappy wooden homes, are just metals, oil, and timber packaged up and made shiny and pretty. We live in Suburban Ghettos because we are easy to control that way. If you have a big ranch, farm or some industrial timberlands you don't want people nosying around and stealing firewood and game. You don't want people to be producers you want them to be consumers of your, the real wealth.
All revolutions are about land and redistribution. It will not happen here because most Americans don't even know what real land is, or what to do with it. They have been herded and are willing to feed and die in their paddocks.
So you have no problem with Vulture capital, working through real estate investment trusts, for example, buying up distressed American mortgage debt for pennies on the dollar? You realize, through this and other processes, the U.S loses sovereignty? Do you have any idea where this process ultimately leads?
I really hate the, "It's always been this way". It hasn't. That is simple acquiesance to a situation that is in no way, inevitable.
My point is that they have already commandeered every last drop of water, oil, and all of the food crops, and have always ratcheted the prices up, pirate style. And there is nothing we can do about it. _________________ ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:11 pm Post subject: Re: Forgive me for being irritating.
Bull crap. PStarr. There's plenty we can do about it. Central banks could stop this, in a heart beat by doing what the IMF prescribes for all irresponsible govts. Raise interest rates. Reregulate banking, commodity markets, etc...
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 1:41 pm Post subject: Re: Forgive me for being irritating.
If I could make an objective comment, the original poster is reacting in a classic "liberal" fashion. As this article explains, a study concluded that liberals cannot rationalize inequality and are frustrated by it.
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 1:45 pm Post subject: Re: Forgive me for being irritating.
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Life can't be completely fair, but it isn't in my nature to ignore what could become murder, suffering and deprivation on a massive scale. It gives my life substance and meaning to simply care. That may seem foolish, but man doesn't live by chicken fried steak alone.
So I take it you're upset over the injustice of resource use and distribution? Then why have you bought a computer which you are now just using for non-essential entertainment?
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