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Jack
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Forgive me for being irritating. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Heineken wrote:
It occurs to me that, both as individuals and as people relating to one another, humans were never designed to fit into such gigantic categories. Once you get beyond small groups, it's all propaganda.

There is no "American." But, for better or worse (and I think it is worse, now), there is definitely a political entity called America.


I pretty much agree. My perception is that countries - in the classical sense - consisted of populations that were homogeneous in a variety of ways. Language, for example.

Empires, in and of their very nature, were highly diverse.

I suspect the neocons were very close to the truth when the described the U.S. as an empire. But the fate of empires is different from that of countries. Countries are robust and persist. Empires rip themselves apart.

It should be exciting.
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Forgive me for being irritating. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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A computer is a tool. It can be used for non-essential entertainment, but it's still a tool. Same with the Internet. And openly writting and reading about Peak Oil is NOT entertainment, it's an honest reaction to Peak Oil... although, if not accompained by action on the "real world", can become "doom 'n gloom entertainment".


The point is that acquiring and using a computer wastes vast amounts of resouces compared to people in poor countries. The point is that people who know what's going on still waste resources like no other. And, really, why shouldn't they?
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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 9:13 am    Post subject: Re: Forgive me for being irritating. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Who says we can help everyone?

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Five armed men burst into the small room and courtyard at dawn, just as 21-year-old, 22-week pregnant, Sunita was drying her face on a towel.

They punched and kicked her stomach as she called out for her sleeping boyfriend "Jassa", 22-year-old Jasbir Singh, witnesses said. When he woke, both were dragged into waiting cars, driven away and strangled.

Their bodies, half-stripped, were laid out on the dirt outside Sunita's father's house for all to see, a sign that the family's "honor" had been restored by her cold-blooded murder.

A week later, the village of Balla, just a couple of hours drive from India's capital New Delhi, stands united behind the act, proud, defiant almost to a man.


Source: Indian village proud after double "honor killing"

Or even that we should try?
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