I think this is the beginnings of an economy based on perpetual growth and fossil fuel energy running headlong into geological energy constraints. Basically I see an undulatory downward path for the rest of my life. From here out, I think any rallies in our economic condition are going to be met with spiking commodity prices that knock us right back down.
If I could choose who participated in the dieoff, it would be....
Rich people!
14%
[ 11 ]
Poor People!
2%
[ 2 ]
Some specific ethnic group other than my own.
11%
[ 9 ]
My own ethnic group.
1%
[ 1 ]
Based on religious parameters
7%
[ 6 ]
Some specific country or group of countries.
16%
[ 13 ]
Purely random.
10%
[ 8 ]
Everybody!!
9%
[ 7 ]
Other.
25%
[ 20 ]
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Jack Dark Lord
Joined: Aug 11, 2004 Posts: 5123
Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 12:10 pm Post subject: Re: Dieoff Selection - Your Chance to Choose
Jenab6 wrote:
As the dieoff becomes severe, racial balkanization will occur, and increasing numbers of people who once would have abhorred the idea of survival through racial fascism will change their minds because it will have become clear that they must do so, or be killed by racially cohesive and interracially competitive gangs.
It won't take that long.
Go to a public university campus. Take a look at how the students gather, and the attributes of the various groups.
Groups will form based on ethnicity, with a few exceptions duly noted.
By the way...isn't it interesting that the strongest proponents of ethnic diversity seem to abhor diversity of thought?
Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 12:23 pm Post subject: Re: Dieoff Selection - Your Chance to Choose
It is interesting to get to "play God" - well it seems to be telling me more about myself.
My initial reaction was to vote to kill off all those I don't like, but then I got to thinking about what life would be like during a die off...if it is as bad as one imagines then may be it would be good if the ones whom I love went in the first stages (saving them all the pain). Now I don't know what to think, except I am glad I am not God. _________________ We should teach our children the 4-Rs: Reduce, Reuse, Recycle and Rejoice.
Joined: Nov 16, 2007 Posts: 305 Location: Rural Western Idaho
Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 1:00 pm Post subject: Re: Dieoff Selection - Your Chance to Choose
IslandCrow wrote:
I got to thinking about what life would be like during a die off...if it is as bad as one imagines then may be it would be good if the ones whom I love went in the first stages (saving them all the pain). Now I don't know what to think, except I am glad I am not God.
Amen to that -- seriously. I think that's why I picked 'Random'.
Wouldn't want it to be up to me.
Lumpy
PS - By the way, per my prediction on this thread yesterday, it's true. A bunch of my family members (some by marriage) would not make the cut if I were doing the choosing.
I can think of about 20 specific people I would want to have make it for sure -- some of them family.
The other 80 would be according to skills and abilities, and willingness to pass them along. Like two good midwives, two dentists, four master herbalists, two general surgeons, two blacksmiths, etc. _________________ "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." Thomas Jefferson
Joined: Sep 24, 2007 Posts: 2584 Location: third from the sun
Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 1:50 pm Post subject: Re: Dieoff Selection - Your Chance to Choose
Jack wrote:
btu2012 wrote:
4. Finally, execute everybody who openly advocates armed violence.
(Chuckle) Looks like you just nominated yourself.
No dearest Jack, I hear that execution can be carried out legally by the state, at least in the United States. It does not involve armed violence, but police work.
Joined: Mar 09, 2007 Posts: 226 Location: No. Calif.
Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: Dieoff Selection - Your Chance to Choose
Jack wrote:
Jenab6 wrote:
As the dieoff becomes severe, racial balkanization will occur, and increasing numbers of people who once would have abhorred the idea of survival through racial fascism will change their minds because it will have become clear that they must do so, or be killed by racially cohesive and interracially competitive gangs.
It won't take that long.
Go to a public university campus. Take a look at how the students gather, and the attributes of the various groups.
Groups will form based on ethnicity, with a few exceptions duly noted.
By the way...isn't it interesting that the strongest proponents of ethnic diversity seem to abhor diversity of thought?
Perhaps I have become too liberal, but I don't see this at all: I see first class divisions such as those that have and those that don't. Then I see division by locale, one community against another.
Racial divisions are great when you are doling out privileges from a position of plenty. When food is in short supply because of fertilizer shortages, those migrant farm workers will not be among those to dieoff.
Joined: Dec 25, 2005 Posts: 602 Location: Hillsboro, West Virginia
Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: Dieoff Selection - Your Chance to Choose
Jenab6 wrote:
There are no "real" solutions to "the problems we face" other than that most of the world's people must die. That's the irreducible fact of global overshoot. Anybody who thinks that "meaningful discussion" can involve any proposal that evades that fact is simply being foolish.
In selecting people who endorse the racist choice in the (unavoidable) population reduction, you have merely asserted your political preferences. Likewise, when you condemned people who see efficacy and advantage in fascism, you have again merely asserted your political preferences.
Other people have other preferences. No doubt one day there will be fighting over whose preferences will prevail, but you ought to know this: time is not on your side. As the dieoff becomes severe, racial balkanization will occur, and increasing numbers of people who once would have abhorred the idea of survival through racial fascism will change their minds because it will have become clear that they must do so, or be killed by racially cohesive and interracially competitive gangs. So off to war with you, btu. And pronto, lest your support from political correctness evaporate from underneath you.
ANewHuman wrote:
I agree with most of what you say but have a few questions. Is your main goal to live in a predominantly, if not entirely, white skin community? Or what is the selector for you if not white skin?
The prevailing wisdom hereabout is that one must live "in a community" in order to survive. I disagree. I think that I can survive longterm alone, assuming I'm left alone. My post-peak plans certainly don't require or presuppose the assistance of other people. On the other hand, if I must live in a community, I want it to be an all-White community.
Now, who is White? The question is slightly confusing, but not greatly so, except apparently for a few people who, I think, are being willfully obtuse.
1. A member of the White race does not necessarily have the very fairest skin. He may be tanned, bronzed, etc., and still be White.
2. Not every hominid with very fair skin is a member of the White race. For example, Turks have fair skin; however, they are not White.
Race got tagged by skin color, which is in some ways unfortunate, but what race really is who your ancestors were, provided that all, or nearly all, of them were genetically similar to each other.
Genetic similarity is a matter of degree, and it is also a matter that leftists feel they must obfuscate about, usually by saying that all humans are very similar with all others, with only a small proportion of human genes being involved in racial variation.
On the other hand, there's only a slightly higher proportion of genes which make the difference between a man and an ape. The genetic similarity/distance, with regard to humans, should be placed under higher magnification and better resolved than the egalitarians are willing to do, because there are indeed important differences between the several extant races of hominids.
The standard marker of genetic similarity/distance is FST, a statistical measurement of how different two populations are genetically. The White race is primarily composed of European groups and their descendants worldwide. The typical genetic distance between any two of them - Germans and Norwegians, say - is about 0.005. Using data from Cavalli-Sforza's The History and Geography of Human Genes, you can estimate that the most central of the European groups in their race cluster are the Belgians, with the Germans and Dutch being the next nearest.
The White race has an outlier group that probably marks the limit of who ought to be considered "White," namely, the Persians. Or anyway the Persians who most nearly remain true to their ancient Aryan type. Their genetic distance from the modern European core groups is FST=0.03 or so.
The Ashkenazi Jews? FST=0.06.
The Turks? FST=0.08.
Although both Ashkenazim and Turks are fair-skinned, neither of them is White.
Likewise, there's a race of dark-skinned people native to the island Panay in the Philippines: the Negritos. Not only are they dark-skinned, they share with Africans the frizzy, nappy hair. However, racially the Negritos are not Africans. Their genetic distance from Africans is as great as that of Whites or Asians (FST ~0.25).
Race is not skin color. The easiest useful definition is the ancestral one.
ANewHuman wrote:
I couldn't just do a skin based selector because I dislike retards, of which there are almost as many white as others given the same upbringing. If you selected white skin+intelligence then I could possibly agree with it, but then you're severely limiting the pool.
That's probably what I'd do. The White race has undergone much dysgenic evolution in the past thousand years, much of it due to soft living, bad moral systems, misapplied medical technology and careless breeding. We have much weeding to do in our own garden, but we can't do that weeding until we are safe once more from external threats. Once we were secure because we were powerful, lords of the planet from pole to pole - but, because of bad moral systems we foolishly let that power go, and we are now besieged as a direct result.
Joined: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 3859 Location: Minniesotuh
Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 9:05 am Post subject: Re: Dieoff Selection - Your Chance to Choose
Then, there are at least 2 million people in US prisons. And, no doubt quite a few in all the other countries.
We could probably lose all, or nearly all, of them and be better off. _________________ "RRrrruuuunnnn!!!" ~Apocalypto
Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 9:24 am Post subject: Re: Dieoff Selection - Your Chance to Choose
Actually Im hoping 99% of all in this country go poof and I hope it happens in 24 hours.Then I can go around and siphon gas out of their cars for the rest of my life,scavenge whatever I need and lay on beaches. _________________ ΜΟΛΩΝ-ΛΑΒΕ
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