Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Joined: May 10, 2007 Posts: 3343 Location: Resiliency Farm
Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 8:39 pm Post subject: Re: Map of self sufficient properties.
BigTex wrote:
dunewalker wrote:
The other day I started a thread on "Le Parkour", which flopped, as I pretty much just linked a you tube video & wikipedia w/o much if any explanation. As any martial art teaches one to fight, Le Parkour teaches one the skill of "flight"--that is, escape. As Big Tex in his martial arts costume says, skills are the key to the future, not possessions (how did we get from a location map to this?). Map or no map, after TSHTF, someone is going to find us and our stash. Without skills, our stash eventually dwindles to nothing, or we are confronted with a choice of "fight or submit", or both. I agree that survival depends not upon a few choice "garden of Edens" but upon our inner resources. A list of communication possibilities with others might be more useful. This 8 minute video illustrates a possible response to a Blackwater squad coming up the driveway of our hideout holding a map in their hand:
I thought Wisconsin_Cur's idea on another thread about locating all of the railroads in and out of a city and figuring how long it would get to one to hike out in an emergency was brilliant.
I have thought about railroad lines in this manner before, but never the idea of looking at a map before going into a new city or of familiarizing myself with all such lines in my area.
That would typically be the shortest and most direct line out of town most of the time.
shucks
The other thing I observe is (when season allows) rivers. What would be better than floating out (bug out bag tied to a log that I have a hold of) of a bad situation under the cover of darkness. If only I could afford that night vision gear. _________________ “It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him.”
J.R.R. Tolkien
"The time has come for men to act like men; and for women, well, to act a lot more like men."
-Ma Cur
Joined: Aug 03, 2006 Posts: 4338 Location: Graceland
Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 10:32 pm Post subject: Re: Map of self sufficient properties.
wisconsin_cur wrote:
BigTex wrote:
dunewalker wrote:
The other day I started a thread on "Le Parkour", which flopped, as I pretty much just linked a you tube video & wikipedia w/o much if any explanation. As any martial art teaches one to fight, Le Parkour teaches one the skill of "flight"--that is, escape. As Big Tex in his martial arts costume says, skills are the key to the future, not possessions (how did we get from a location map to this?). Map or no map, after TSHTF, someone is going to find us and our stash. Without skills, our stash eventually dwindles to nothing, or we are confronted with a choice of "fight or submit", or both. I agree that survival depends not upon a few choice "garden of Edens" but upon our inner resources. A list of communication possibilities with others might be more useful. This 8 minute video illustrates a possible response to a Blackwater squad coming up the driveway of our hideout holding a map in their hand:
I thought Wisconsin_Cur's idea on another thread about locating all of the railroads in and out of a city and figuring how long it would get to one to hike out in an emergency was brilliant.
I have thought about railroad lines in this manner before, but never the idea of looking at a map before going into a new city or of familiarizing myself with all such lines in my area.
That would typically be the shortest and most direct line out of town most of the time.
shucks
The other thing I observe is (when season allows) rivers. What would be better than floating out (bug out bag tied to a log that I have a hold of) of a bad situation under the cover of darkness. If only I could afford that night vision gear.
How about this for a clever idea:
You may be familiar with the Xootr scooter.
This is a pretty neat transportation device. I wonder if some type of wheel modification could be done that would allow you to travel on one of the rails of a railroad track. You could cover at least twice as much ground as walking and you could do it with a lot less fatigue.
You might be able to get some pontoons for it and it could be useful in your river bugout scenario as well. _________________
Joined: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 3904 Location: Minniesotuh
Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 10:53 pm Post subject: Re: Map of self sufficient properties.
Map? Bbbbaaadddd idea. Guess who'd be among the first to get picked up disappear?
There are too many people viewing this site.
Recently though, I was thinking about the French(?) underground during WWII-cells of three people...
It might help someone to know a like-minded person near or fairly nearby during a bugout. Underground railroad idea, as it were.... _________________ "RRrrruuuunnnn!!!" ~Apocalypto
Joined: Aug 03, 2006 Posts: 4338 Location: Graceland
Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 12:20 am Post subject: Re: Map of self sufficient properties.
Ferretlover wrote:
Map? Bbbbaaadddd idea. Guess who'd be among the first to get picked up disappear?
There are too many people viewing this site.
Recently though, I was thinking about the French(?) underground during WWII-cells of three people...
It might help someone to know a like-minded person near or fairly nearby during a bugout. Underground railroad idea, as it were....
As I said above, though, it is SO obvious where the good properties are generally, and there are so many of them available at any given time, who cares?
As for where particular people live, that's obviously NOT a good idea, for too many reasons to list.
What's the difference between a small farm and a survival retreat?
Wherever you are, it seems like your own skills and your network of contacts are what make the difference, not the nature of a given piece of property. _________________
Joined: Aug 03, 2007 Posts: 4570 Location: Boston Suburbs
Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 1:12 am Post subject: Re: Map of self sufficient properties.
Ferretlover wrote:
Map? Bbbbaaadddd idea. Guess who'd be among the first to get picked up disappear?
There are too many people viewing this site.
Recently though, I was thinking about the French(?) underground during WWII-cells of three people...
It might help someone to know a like-minded person near or fairly nearby during a bugout. Underground railroad idea, as it were....
Joined: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 3904 Location: Minniesotuh
Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 6:36 am Post subject: Re: Map of self sufficient properties.
You are funny, Mos! I meant the Real underground
I dreamed of this all night (no more iced tea just before bed).
Pictures of blackboards, and whiteboards with names, ranks, addresses.
So, I suppose that I am just being silly, but others have brought this up.
I have no doubt that TPTB probably already know who we are, but, the future zombie hoards don't-yet.
I just know that if one of my Favorite Cousins needed a place to stay overnight on their way to their bugout spot, I would want to be able to help them. _________________ "RRrrruuuunnnn!!!" ~Apocalypto
Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 8:12 am Post subject: Re: Map of self sufficient properties.
I had thought about recriprocal agreements with individuals for refuge only to come into effect in the event of an ice age, yellowstone eruption, that sort of thing. O f course that would depend on the refuge seeker being bringing skills and hopefully some supplies. and then I decided I'm too paraniod for that and my people will just have to fight for survival like everyone else, oh well. _________________ Remember every mighty oak tree started with some nut who stood their ground.
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 8:08 am Post subject: Re: Map of self sufficient properties.
jivah wrote:
I put a few comments up here recently and it occured to me that there are quite a few people out there who have purchased, or are close to purchasing land out in the sticks with a view to becoming more self sufficient.
Does anyone out there think it may be worth creating a map of these sustainable sites so people can call in help from each other if needed. I am not thinking of the gung ho armed to the teeth sort of thing, but there could well be times when an extra pair of hands could be useful, or being able to barter skills etc. like a PO version of woofing?
I used a good overlay for google maps recently of small hotels in Italy, I was thinking something like that could be quite useful? or are we all to independently minded?
Let me know what you think?
Cheers
Well my original question seems to have provoked a lot of negative responses. Some of which I can understand but there are a few things worth remembering.
Being self sufficient is really hard work and you are going to often find yourself in a position where you need some help. Either it is because you need an extra pair of hands or because you need to trade with others to get things you can't grow/make/find yourself.
I don't think anyone is going to make themselves invisible, your presence will be known to people around you. Especially, if like me, you are a city boy and are planning to move, not just to the countryside but to a different country. For me, integrating myself into the local community and not hiding from it, is an important part of surviving when things get tricky, and if there is an online community that I can tap into as well that is not limited by geography, then all the better.
With that in mind I thought it might be worth kicking things off with my place which is near here
Joined: Dec 26, 2006 Posts: 315 Location: Eastern Washington
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 11:46 pm Post subject: Re: Map of self sufficient properties.
jivah
I agree with you and have posted my location on this forum too.
If the situation is that desperate then there won't be anyone that can crawl across the desert to get to my place, let alone have the money to access the internet. _________________ "Those who long for exaltation look upwards, but I look downward for I am the exalted."
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 8:57 pm Post subject: Re: Map of self sufficient properties.
Jivah, as you say tapping into the local community. I already have a good set of people who are on the green list.
If the fertilizer has hit the air agitation device at a high rate of speed I already have my group formed and chosen and they know they are welcome.
If you aint on the green list when crap goes south its gonna be real damned hard to talk your way off my farm alive. Cause I know who should be there....And who shouldnt. And my place isnt just a bit off the main path so to speak, so "Oops wrong turn" dont cut it.
But as you say, its local community. I wouldnt post my location cause I dont want every joker in a 500 mile radius thinking "Oh hey! That guy posted his location on the Intarweb!! He was real stocked, lets go there!" _________________ "Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the
Abyss, the Abyss gazes also into you."
Ammo at a gunfight is like bubblegum in grade school: If you havent brought enough for everyone, you're in trouble
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 9:50 pm Post subject: Re: Map of self sufficient properties.
At one time I would have posted my location, albeit privately, if I had a good feeling about a person. Now I see no point in meeting up. We have covered it all here.
After the SHTF it is simply too late to drop by looking for help. Sorry.
Joined: Aug 03, 2007 Posts: 4570 Location: Boston Suburbs
Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 1:47 pm Post subject: Re: Map of self sufficient properties.
SpringCreekFarm wrote:
At one time I would have posted my location, albeit privately, if I had a good feeling about a person. Now I see no point in meeting up. We have covered it all here.
After the SHTF it is simply too late to drop by looking for help. Sorry.
Oh, Pops, good replies.
I do wonder sometimes whether some of the members of this forum, as civil as we are today, won't be literally at eachother's throats when TSHTF if we get within proximity to eachother.
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