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newbonic Tar Sands


Joined: May 17, 2008 Posts: 53 Location: UK, Yorkshire
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 1:52 pm Post subject: BBC Radio 4 afternoon news leads on Peak Oil |
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I was driving home from work this afternoon up the 6 lane M1 motorway (Thurs May 22) tuned into the BBC R4 news (the most influential radio news station in the UK by a mile - UK politicians are addicted to it).
The lead story at 5pm (peak listening time) was an in depth discussion about peak oil and the record $135 pb oil price. There was a energy industry expert interviewed (I didn't catch his name) who said that we are at peak light sweet, and that heavier grades would peak circa 2011-2013, and that absolute drops in output would occur at some point not to long later. For mainstream news it was pretty apocalyptic stuff. It stated that prices would never drop to previous levels. Peak Oil is unequivocally mainstream in the UK.
I think a podcast may be available at BBC R4 website but may be UK only. Or maybe the link in the top right of this BBC website page.
As I listened two 2007 Range Rover Sport SUVs cruised past - I wonder if they were listening to, and if they thought their new motors were the smart choice now? |
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FishAreBest Tar Sands


Joined: May 04, 2006 Posts: 64 Location: Little Blighty on the Down
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 2:07 pm Post subject: Re: BBC Radio 4 afternoon news leads on Peak Oil |
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What was most remarkable about this feature was that they had nobody speak against it.
This is the BBC which famously shows both sides of every argument, and which only recently stopped bringing on climate-change deniers. |
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Twilight Expert


Joined: Mar 02, 2007 Posts: 3076 Location: UK
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 2:13 pm Post subject: Re: BBC Radio 4 afternoon news leads on Peak Oil |
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I have not found it there, but will check back later.
If I recall correctly, Radio 4's Material World did a good piece on peak oil back in 2004. Little in the way of cornucopian "balance", just the facts.
There is awareness of a sort, but sadly just because something is mainstream, does not mean people change in response. You can have a conversation with someone about the decline of the North Sea, but they will not accept there are any personal implications down the line, and they will still blame government taxation for fuel prices. There is still a lot of casual denial. _________________ Volatility. When life isn't exciting enough. |
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Plantagenet Expert


Joined: Apr 09, 2007 Posts: 6289 Location: Alaska (its much bigger than Texas).
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 2:20 pm Post subject: Re: BBC Radio 4 afternoon news leads on Peak Oil |
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| FishAreBest wrote: |
This is the BBC which famously shows both sides of every argument. |
Hahahahahahahaha! I listen to a lot of BBC and they are one of the more biased networks on the airwaves. Its so bad that the BBC themselves organized a self-review and were forced to admit they were biased against religion, Israel, etc.
BBC subject to "trendy left-wing" bias
Buts its good that the Beeb has done a bit on peak oil for their audience. |
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Plantagenet Expert


Joined: Apr 09, 2007 Posts: 6289 Location: Alaska (its much bigger than Texas).
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 2:23 pm Post subject: Re: BBC Radio 4 afternoon news leads on Peak Oil |
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"The BBC is out of touch with large swathes of the public and is guity of self-censoring subjects that the corporation finds unpalatable, an official report has claimed.
As part of the report's research the BBC's own controller of editorial policy admitted that people felt that the corporation was guilty of a "bias of omission" by not covering their views.
Authors of the report called on the corporation to be more "open-minded" in the views it reflects and warned against "bias of elimination" which it branded "offensive".
The report noted that the BBC had "come late" to several important stories in recent years, including Euroscepticism and immigration , which as it happens, were "off limits" in terms of a liberal-minded comfort zone".
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Sadly, it appears the Beeb has again "come late" to reporting, this time on Peak Oil.
It was probably hard for them to include some news that doesn't fit into the left wing orthodoxy of *high oil prices = speculation by evil banks and big oil companies*......they may have left off the opposing view precisely because a report on peak oil doesn't fit into their usual leftist worldview, resulting in a different treatment of the peakoil story. |
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arretium Heavy Crude


Joined: Apr 04, 2005 Posts: 473 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 2:43 pm Post subject: Re: BBC Radio 4 afternoon news leads on Peak Oil |
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| Plantagenet wrote: | | FishAreBest wrote: |
This is the BBC which famously shows both sides of every argument. |
Hahahahahahahaha! I listen to a lot of BBC and they are one of the more biased networks on the airwaves. Its so bad that the BBC themselves organized a self-review and were forced to admit they were biased against religion, Israel, etc.
BBC subject to "trendy left-wing" bias
Buts its good that the Beeb has done a bit on peak oil for their audience. |
Your source isn't exactly free of bias. You're citing the Fox News of England.
http://www.mondotimes.com/1/world/uk/142/4217/10348 |
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Starvid Fission


Joined: Feb 20, 2005 Posts: 2880 Location: Uppsala, Sweden
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 3:00 pm Post subject: Re: BBC Radio 4 afternoon news leads on Peak Oil |
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| Twilight wrote: | | There is awareness of a sort, but sadly just because something is mainstream, does not mean people change in response. You can have a conversation with someone about the decline of the North Sea, but they will not accept there are any personal implications down the line, and they will still blame government taxation for fuel prices. There is still a lot of casual denial. | Change will come. As government isn't doing anything, the market will do it by using prices.
As demand is exploding in emerging markets and in oil exporting states, supported by damaging gasoline subsidies, demand destruction will have to happen in the developed world. And that will not happen until prices are so high that a lot of people feel the pain. That's when people change and price rises might stop. For a while. _________________ Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis. |
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Plantagenet Expert


Joined: Apr 09, 2007 Posts: 6289 Location: Alaska (its much bigger than Texas).
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: BBC Radio 4 afternoon news leads on Peak Oil |
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| arretium wrote: | | Plantagenet wrote: | | FishAreBest wrote: |
This is the BBC which famously shows both sides of every argument. |
Hahahahahahahaha! I listen to a lot of BBC and they are one of the more biased networks on the airwaves. Its so bad that the BBC themselves organized a self-review and were forced to admit they were biased against religion, Israel, etc.
BBC subject to "trendy left-wing" bias
Buts its good that the Beeb has done a bit on peak oil for their audience. |
Your source isn't exactly free of bias. You're citing the Fox News of England. |
The BBC's own ombudsman said the BBC is biased and omits stories that don't fit their liberal orthodoxy. That bias would seem to explain why the BBC, in spite of having a budget of hundred of millions of pounds and a news staff numbering in the hundreds is so remarkably "late" in discovering the peak oil story. |
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mos6507 Fusion


Joined: Aug 03, 2007 Posts: 4402 Location: Boston Suburbs
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: BBC Radio 4 afternoon news leads on Peak Oil |
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I've been tracking the google news each day and frank coverage of Peak oil is all over UK press (and Australia and New Zealand). It's just very slow to enter the US MSM.
Europeans appear to be more rational thinkers. Also, the fact that they are in the midst of the reality of the north sea decline really reminds them about oil depletion, whereas the US went through that almost 40 years ago. |
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 3:48 pm Post subject: Re: BBC Radio 4 afternoon news leads on Peak Oil |
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| Plantagenet wrote: | | FishAreBest wrote: |
This is the BBC which famously shows both sides of every argument. |
Hahahahahahahaha! I listen to a lot of BBC and they are one of the more biased networks on the airwaves. Its so bad that the BBC themselves organized a self-review and were forced to admit they were biased against religion, Israel, etc.
BBC subject to "trendy left-wing" bias
Buts its good that the Beeb has done a bit on peak oil for their audience. |
You're a yank. Direct and uncluttered in your thinking. You wouldn't be able to get a handle on how the sophisticated Harrow and Eton educated elite work in the United Kingdom. They are the masters of dissemblance mate. _________________ Bugger me, I hear oil's runnin out mate! |
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Plantagenet Expert


Joined: Apr 09, 2007 Posts: 6289 Location: Alaska (its much bigger than Texas).
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 4:00 pm Post subject: Re: BBC Radio 4 afternoon news leads on Peak Oil |
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| mos6507 wrote: | I've been tracking the google news each day and frank coverage of Peak oil is all over UK press (and Australia and New Zealand). It's just very slow to enter the US MSM.
Europeans appear to be more rational thinkers. Also, the fact that they are in the midst of the reality of the north sea decline really reminds them about oil depletion, whereas the US went through that almost 40 years ago. |
You'd better learn to google better. There's been plenty of coverage of peak oil in the US main stream media.
For instance, here is a 10-page-long article in the New York Times published in 2005 (that's three years ago for the math challenged).
NY TIMES MAGAZINE WITH FEATURE 10 PAGE LONG PEAK OIL STORY FROM 2005
The New York Times covered peak oil in great depth THREE YEARS AGO and the BBC is just discovering it now? Wow. Whats wrong with the BBC? |
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Twilight Expert


Joined: Mar 02, 2007 Posts: 3076 Location: UK
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject: Re: BBC Radio 4 afternoon news leads on Peak Oil |
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Presumably if the BBC were hand-wringing liberals, they would overstate their bias. So that evidence does not support the assertion.  _________________ Volatility. When life isn't exciting enough. |
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yeahbut Heavy Crude


Joined: Oct 30, 2007 Posts: 342
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: BBC Radio 4 afternoon news leads on Peak Oil |
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| Plantagenet wrote: | | the BBC themselves organized a self-review |
Lord knows I've been infuriated by the beeb over the years, but I'm sure they're no worse than any of the other networks out there. Surely, tho, the very fact that they have reviews of that nature, and discuss their findings, including the negatives, in public, is a good thing. Have any of the other majors done anything like that? Any public soul-searching going on at Fox about bias and lack of objectivity?
| Plantagenet wrote: | | Sadly, it appears the Beeb has again "come late" to reporting, this time on Peak Oil. |
And yet, perhaps earlier than any other radio/tv network . For some reason, print media(at least the Guardian and the NYT) have seemed to be mentioning peak oil for quite some time, while radio and tv have lagged behind, at least that's my impression. Maybe it's because it can be presented as more of an opinion piece, or feature article in a subsection of the paper. I guess the newspaper equivalent of what the beeb has just done would be main article, front page. Has any paper done that? Has another network besides the BBC devoted it's lead, peak hour story, to an in depth discussion of peak oil?
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Plantagenet Expert


Joined: Apr 09, 2007 Posts: 6289 Location: Alaska (its much bigger than Texas).
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: BBC Radio 4 afternoon news leads on Peak Oil |
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| yeahbut wrote: | | I guess the newspaper equivalent of what the beeb has just done would be main article, front page. Has any paper done that? |
Yes.
As I discussed above (with link) three years ago NY Times had a 10-page-long Feature article discussing peak oil in the NY Times magazine. The article discusses peak oil at length, cite US government studies, describes Ghawar and features an interview with Mathew Simmons and various Americans and a leading Saudi oil geologist. It came out in 2005. |
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Plantagenet Expert


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Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 5:23 pm Post subject: Re: BBC Radio 4 afternoon news leads on Peak Oil |
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| Twilight wrote: | Presumably if the BBC were hand-wringing liberals, they would overstate their bias. So that evidence does not support the assertion.  |
Peak oil is not a "liberal" or "conservative" issue. It is a scientific issue. The response to peak oil will involve political choices, but politicans won't even start to address the issue of possible remedies and mitigations until they admit the implications of the scientific data.
Liberal politicians in the US have shown a tendency to blame high oil prices on evil speculators and greedy big oil companies, rather then on the scientific concept of peak oil. Liberals like our Senator Leahy have made fools of themselves by claiming that oil prices "have nothing to do with supply and demand."
The BBC underplaying "peak oil" would be consistent with the currently reigning US liberal-left orthodoxy in the US, but perhaps in Britain the Labour Party acknowledges peak oil? Here in the US the liberal leaning Public Broadcasting System (our counterpart to the BBC) did a four part series on their nightly news show on our high gas prices without ever mentioning peak oil or oil supply shortages and they cover the Congressional dog-and-pony shows where the liberal Congressmen grill the oil company execs in a bizarre attempt to force them to admit they are to blame for the high oil prices.
I was last in England in November-December, so I don't know how Gordon Browne and the labor party are currently explaining away the ever increasing oil prices. Has Gordon Browne given any speeches where he acknowledges that oil is "running out" like George Bush has or does he blame high oil prices on conspiracies of the evil oil companies like US liberals are doing? How does the Labor Party explain the high oil prices?  |
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