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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 5:14 pm    Post subject: The precipice has been breached...Vehicle Miles Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

So this is what the peak looks like.


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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 5:29 pm    Post subject: Re: The precipice has been breached...Vehicle Miles Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

roccman wrote:
So this is what the peak looks like.



Call me crazy but......aaahhhhhh....peak looks like.....a square....with a red X in the middle?

This isn't one of those "I'm showing you something silly and calling it something else just to see how gullible everyone is" stunts of yours is it?
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 5:52 pm    Post subject: Re: The precipice has been breached...Vehicle Miles Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote



Looks like smooth sailing here on out!


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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 6:02 pm    Post subject: Re: The precipice has been breached...Vehicle Miles Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Good find RM.

Can anybody insert one of those moving GIFs of the black silhouette of a guy jumping off a building, bouncing just slightly, and repeat?
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 6:13 pm    Post subject: Re: The precipice has been breached...Vehicle Miles Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I read somewhere here that vehicle miles are down maybe 4%? I guess the sheeple are getting the message at the pump.
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 6:15 pm    Post subject: Re: The precipice has been breached...Vehicle Miles Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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I read somewhere here that vehicle miles are down maybe 4%? I guess the sheeple are getting the message at the pump.
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 6:25 pm    Post subject: Re: The precipice has been breached...Vehicle Miles Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I wonder how they calculate those numbers. I guess they are estimates based on gas consumption and ... something else?

Would be interesting to know.
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 6:32 pm    Post subject: Re: The precipice has been breached...Vehicle Miles Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Law of large numbers really works well on this one, simply because there are so many vehicles, and so much fuel; and we know what kind of vehicles are driven where, and how much gasoline is used there. And you can spot check the numbers with existing traffic survey methods.

No reason to doubt their accuracy.

As much as I'd wish too.

*F*.

Three years of flatness.

Just.... *F*.

Wasn't really expecting that sort of effect for quite a while; disturbing to see it already having an effect on the macro scale.
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 6:38 pm    Post subject: Re: The precipice has been breached...Vehicle Miles Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

For the record, I didn't doubt the accuracy, just wanted information.

And I quite like the curve. Would be horrible if it just kept going and going and going and going... A cooldown may be just what the doctor ordered.
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 6:46 pm    Post subject: Re: The precipice has been breached...Vehicle Miles Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Damn.

Americans drive 11 billion fewer miles in March

Love these figures:

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WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- With gasoline and diesel prices soaring to record levels, American drivers are cutting back sharply on the miles they travel, the Department of Transportation reported Friday.
Total vehicle miles driven fell in March by 4.3%, or 11 billion miles, to 246.3 billion miles, compared with the year earlier. It was the largest year-over-year decline in miles driven since the government began keeping records in 1942.
Americans drive more than 3 trillion miles each year. So far this year, cumulative miles driven are down by 2.3%.


We need Dubya to tell us to shop!


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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 7:19 pm    Post subject: Re: The precipice has been breached...Vehicle Miles Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I see this as great news!

Less oil consumption, fewer miles driven, and yet no zombie hordes.

America is getting the message and responding to incentives. Cool

In 5 years that number will be down even more and we might be beginning to re-enter the world of sane commutes.
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 7:38 pm    Post subject: Re: The precipice has been breached...Vehicle Miles Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Tyler_JC wrote:

Less oil consumption, fewer miles driven, and yet no zombie hordes.


So much depends on the shape of the curve. If it's smooth and gradual, then the economy may adapt.

I cannot help wondering about the many communities that are deeply dependent on the tourist trade. A sharp decline on the curve could cause a large decline in employment, large shortfalls in community tax revenue, and widespread business failures.

Now whether an out-of-work waiter could be part of an effective zombie horde is quite another question.
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 7:39 pm    Post subject: Re: The precipice has been breached...Vehicle Miles Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Tyler_JC wrote:
I see this as great news!

Less oil consumption, fewer miles driven, and yet no zombie hordes.


No just rising unemployment, business failures and reduced economic activity in toursim, hotels, restaurants, and all the other places people spend money when they are on the road driving.

Conservation is a self-induced recession.
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 7:58 pm    Post subject: Re: The precipice has been breached...Vehicle Miles Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Tourists are still plentiful here. The other day I was at a parade with my dog and all these Chinese tourists wanted to take their picture with her. And, the newspapers have been running stories about how more people are staying on the metro to go to restaurants, shopping, etc., helping business along the lines. I know the lower margin restaurants like pizza are hurting because they haven't raised prices fast enough to keep up with climbing flour and other ingrediant prices.
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 8:04 pm    Post subject: CNN: Driving down 4.3% from last year Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Looks like high prices are finally having a significant effect.

CNN: As gas goes up, driving goes down

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The Department of Transportation said figures from March show the steepest decrease in driving ever recorded. Compared with March a year earlier, Americans drove an estimated 4.3 percent less -- that's 11 billion fewer miles, the DOT's Federal Highway Administration said Monday, calling it "the sharpest yearly drop for any month in FHWA history." Records have been kept since 1942.

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