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Graeme
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 Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 3:59 am Post subject: Electric Cars = the Next Mass Market Technology |
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Electric Cars = the Next Mass Market Technology
| Quote: | Electrified transportation is the next mass market technology. The automotive industry will be turned completely upside down, with many of today’s small, unknown electric vehicle developers becoming the new global giants of car-making. Electric utilities are the oil companies of tomorrow. The new lithium-ion batteries that are the foundation of this new mass market technology likely will be leased separately from the vehicles, creating a vast new market for finance companies. OPEC member nations can see the future and are already investing in a world where oil’s role will be greatly diminished.
These are just some of the insights into the car world of tomorrow recently expressed by the CEOs of three of the world’s top electric vehicle developers – Albert Lam of Santa Rosa, CA-based Detroit Electric, Henrik Fisker of Irvine, CA-based Fisker Automotive, and Dan Elliott of Ontario, CA-based Phoenix Motorcars. While they disagreed on whether electrified transportation will be dominated by all-electric or plug-in electric vehicles (the latter capable of also running on gasoline), they agreed that most people will risk buying a green car, and that if their firms move quickly, they will seize the market from the likes of General Motors and Toyota, which they see as being years behind them in developing the new technology. |
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This is part 1 of 7. If anyone sees the next part, please post in this thread.
I'm for any tech that helps offset oil consumption. But this will likely come at a price. . .
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idiom
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 4:04 am Post subject: Re: Electric Cars = the Next Mass Market Technology |
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| 2015 Headline: Driving electric vehicles linked to 200% rise in Brain Cancer. |
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Cashmere
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 4:08 am Post subject: Re: Electric Cars = the Next Mass Market Technology |
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3015 headline . ..
Humans didn't use their brains anyway.
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Golgo13
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 5:02 am Post subject: Re: Electric Cars = the Next Mass Market Technology |
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| idiom wrote: | | 2015 Headline: Driving electric vehicles linked to 200% rise in Brain Cancer. |
...What? |
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Eli
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 7:59 am Post subject: Re: Electric Cars = the Next Mass Market Technology |
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| Travel in the future is not going to be built around personal cars. |
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whereagles
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 8:23 am Post subject: Re: Electric Cars = the Next Mass Market Technology |
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| Eli wrote: | | Travel in the future is not going to be built around personal cars. |
Maybe not where you live.
My place is a small city in Portugal, with all the needed stuff at most 10 km away. I could do almost all of my stuff driving an electric scooter at a 20-30% increase in my electricity consumption. I would only require a car to take my family to the train station for larger inter-city trips or if it rains heavily.
Gimme a nuclear plant (we got none, but have lotsa uranium) and a 3-fold increase in renewables (feasible here) and I'm pretty much convinced the country could do without oil while keeping private transportation. |
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kokoda
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 9:49 am Post subject: Re: Electric Cars = the Next Mass Market Technology |
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| I must admit that it would give me great pleasure to see GM, Ford and a bunch of other car companies get put out of business by the likes of Tesla Motors or Reva. |
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Revi
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 12:16 pm Post subject: Re: Electric Cars = the Next Mass Market Technology |
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| kokoda wrote: | | I must admit that it would give me great pleasure to see GM, Ford and a bunch of other car companies get put out of business by the likes of Tesla Motors or Reva. |
Or this:
www.sunnev.com
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mos6507
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 12:25 pm Post subject: Re: Electric Cars = the Next Mass Market Technology |
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| kokoda wrote: | | I must admit that it would give me great pleasure to see GM, Ford and a bunch of other car companies get put out of business by the likes of Tesla Motors or Reva. |
Preferably Tesla (or Aptera) rather than Reva. I'd like to see a new US auto industry replace the old rather than the last bastion of US manufacturing crumble away. |
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Twilight
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 2:10 pm Post subject: Re: Electric Cars = the Next Mass Market Technology |
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I have said it before and I will say it again, if electric cars scale faster than the power grid, lights out.
That is not a competition I want to see take place so long as those sectors are managed independently of each other.
Also, the power generation has to be non-fossil, otherwise that would neither solve the problem, nor even reduce anyone's energy bills. Switching transportation energy requirements over to coal and natural gas would not be helpful as anyone who understands the exponential function knows. The consumer would take a mean hit from capex too. It would be just another setting on the treadmill.
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kokoda
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 3:48 pm Post subject: Re: Electric Cars = the Next Mass Market Technology |
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| mos6507 wrote: | | kokoda wrote: | | I must admit that it would give me great pleasure to see GM, Ford and a bunch of other car companies get put out of business by the likes of Tesla Motors or Reva. |
Preferably Tesla (or Aptera) rather than Reva. I'd like to see a new US auto industry replace the old rather than the last bastion of US manufacturing crumble away. |
Thanks ... I was trying to remember Aptera.
It amazes me that all of the truly innovative stuff is done by small groups of motivated individuals while all of the cashed up wealthy car companies seem totally devoid of any new ideas.
The behave like drug dealers giving the public huge gas guzzling dinosaurs even though these vehicles are responsible for destroying the US economy and wasting what remains of the world's fast depleting oil supplies.
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misterno
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 3:53 pm Post subject: Re: Electric Cars = the Next Mass Market Technology |
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Before anythingelse please read the peak lithium debate.
Then you will understand why electric cars are a no go. |
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misterno
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 3:54 pm Post subject: Re: Electric Cars = the Next Mass Market Technology |
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Before anythingelse please read the peak lithium folder.
Then you will understand why electric cars are a no go. |
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GASMON
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 4:10 pm Post subject: Re: Electric Cars = the Next Mass Market Technology |
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Sinclair C5 electric car, remember these ? Worked well though high fatality rate. Perfect for the big die off !!!
Of course the average yank would need 2, one for each buttock.
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jbeckton
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 7:59 pm Post subject: Re: Electric Cars = the Next Mass Market Technology |
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| Twilight wrote: | | I have said it before and I will say it again, if electric cars scale faster than the power grid, lights out. |
The power grid is already big enough to handle most of the EV needs (assuming mass scale production takes place). The problem is not scale, its demand side management. Idealy an EV would charge at night while the grid is currently outputing about 50% capacity. Smart meters are already being installed around the country that will charge people the current price, which means they will offset their usage to off peak whenever possible. Smart appliances could go a long way as well. It will be expensive, but nothing compared to building additional capacity!
The only real problem is that we would power the EV's with more coal and NG.
This is the problem, not scale.
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