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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Runaway Global Warming - Closer than you think Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

117 degrees in L.A.? Experts see future shock

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During the European heat wave of 2003 that killed tens of thousands, the temperature in parts of France hit 104 degrees. Nearly 15,000 people died in that country alone. During the Chicago heat wave of 1995, the mercury spiked at 106 and about 600 people died.

In a few decades, people will look back at those heat waves "and we will laugh," said Andreas Sterl, lead author of a new study and a scientist at the Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute. "We will find (those temperatures) lovely and cool."

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Runaway Global Warming - Closer than you think Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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117 degrees in L.A.? Experts see future shock
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During the European heat wave of 2003 that killed tens of thousands, the temperature in parts of France hit 104 degrees. Nearly 15,000 people died in that country alone. During the Chicago heat wave of 1995, the mercury spiked at 106 and about 600 people died.
In a few decades, people will look back at those heat waves "and we will laugh," said Andreas Sterl, lead author of a new study and a scientist at the Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute. "We will find (those temperatures) lovely and cool."

The electrical grid is to the breaking point. Joe Lunch Bucket cranking that thermostst to 68 should help melt wire...blow out transformers and collapse the grid on fairly short order.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Runaway Global Warming - Closer than you think Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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117 degrees in L.A.? Experts see future shock
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During the European heat wave of 2003 that killed tens of thousands, the temperature in parts of France hit 104 degrees. Nearly 15,000 people died in that country alone. During the Chicago heat wave of 1995, the mercury spiked at 106 and about 600 people died. In a few decades, people will look back at those heat waves "and we will laugh," said Andreas Sterl, lead author of a new study and a scientist at the Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute. "We will find (those temperatures) lovely and cool."
The electrical grid is to the breaking point. Joe Lunch Bucket cranking that thermostst to 68 should help melt wire...blow out transformers and collapse the grid on fairly short order.

Seen these doomsday scenarios many times. Not going to happen. Everything will be alright and Joe Lunch Bucket will get his cool air! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Runaway Global Warming - Closer than you think Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

So when 4.5 billion people die, the survivers will have the earth's remaining reserves for themselves. I'm building an end of the world shelter now to survive until this time.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Runaway Global Warming - Closer than you think Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Did you read this article linked to the article you posted? link
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Runaway Global Warming - Closer than you think Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Vogelzang wrote:
Did you read this article linked to the article you posted? link

Have you read this?
Scientists Back Off Theory of a Colder Europe in a Warming World
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 7:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Runaway Global Warming - Closer than you think Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Did you read this article linked to the article you posted? link

So how does the article support your position when it says this: "However, temperatures will again be rising quickly by about 2020, they say."
and this: ". . .after that, the curves come back together and temperatures rise."

btw this article was posted some time ago and discussed. Cool
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Runaway Global Warming - Closer than you think Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

If further confirmation was needed that we are toast:

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India challenges global warming fears
India has issued a report challenging global warming fears. This is dramatic. The Indian Prime Minister's Council on Climate Change said that India would rather save its people from poverty than global warming, and would not cut growth in order to cut gases.
Referring to claimed changes in climate attributed to human activity, the report declares: "No firm link between the documented charges described below and warming due to an anthropogenic climate change has yet been established."

The report goes on to state: "It is obvious that India needs to substantially increase its per capita energy consumption to provide a minimally acceptable level of wellbeing to its people . . . India is determined that its per capita greenhouse-gas emissions will at no point exceed those of developed countries."

The Australian Herald noted that this declaration "means India won't stop its per capita emissions (now at 1,02 t) from growing until they match those of countries such as the US (now at 20 t)."


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Runaway Global Warming - Closer than you think Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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"It is obvious that India needs to substantially increase its per capita energy consumption to provide a minimally acceptable level of wellbeing to its people.

Guess that line about says it all.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Runaway Global Warming - Closer than you think Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

It that Toast with Butter and Jam? Remember that bit in the "Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" when they went to Milliways, "The Restaurant at the End of the Universe" to watch the universe die as they dined like kings.
"Ladies and gentlemen," he said, "The Universe as we know it has now been in existence for over one hundred and seventy thousand million billion years and will be ending in a little over half an hour. So, welcome one and all to Milliway's, the Restaurant at the End of the Universe!"

As one who believes in symmetry we can't forget:
The Big Bang Burger Bar which is the opposite of Milliway's in that it is at the beginning of the universe, namely the Big Bang.

Between those two events, our very small bit of existence and final toast event will have literally no significance in the universe at all. Enjoy BAU.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 4:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Runaway Global Warming - Closer than you think Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Ferretlover wrote:
From the article:
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"It is obvious that India needs to substantially increase its per capita energy consumption to provide a minimally acceptable level of wellbeing to its people.
Guess that line about says it all.

The thing is if India went to an all renewable and Fission grid they could do it. The problem is they mean it in the conventional fossil fuel sense, which will just make things that much worse instead of better.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:13 am    Post subject: Re: Runaway Global Warming - Closer than you think Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Zardoz wrote:
117 degrees in L.A.? Experts see future shock

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During the European heat wave of 2003 that killed tens of thousands, the temperature in parts of France hit 104 degrees. Nearly 15,000 people died in that country alone. During the Chicago heat wave of 1995, the mercury spiked at 106 and about 600 people died.

In a few decades, people will look back at those heat waves "and we will laugh," said Andreas Sterl, lead author of a new study and a scientist at the Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute. "We will find (those temperatures) lovely and cool."


Who'd have thought it would really happen?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:53 am    Post subject: Re: Runaway Global Warming - Closer than you think Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

50,000 scientists disagree on MMG, the 'concensus' is broken!
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According to Monckton, there is substantial support for his results, "in the peer-reviewed literature, most articles on climate sensitivity conclude, as I have done, that climate sensitivity must be harmlessly low."

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:20 am    Post subject: Re: Runaway Global Warming - Closer than you think Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

The trolls are out today. This one is particularly laughable. The link links to nothing. Similar claims have been made and debunked many times. Need we really say more.

Get back to us when you have dozens of well-established, major scientific bodies from around the world supporting your position.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Runaway Global Warming - Closer than you think Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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50,000 scientists disagree on MMG, the 'concensus' is broken!
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According to Monckton, there is substantial support for his results, "in the peer-reviewed literature, most articles on climate sensitivity conclude, as I have done, that climate sensitivity must be harmlessly low."

Sorry, wassat? Oh, never mind.
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