How then, do we move backwards? How does a society, with most of the people having no clue of future events, move from being dependent on a vast and intertwined network of goods and services produced by the indigenous people of whereever, to a local resource and renewable energy based society, and do so in the timeframe available (20-30 years using the most liberal extimates, 10-20 with resonable estimates, 5-10 with worst case scenarios), all the while prices on everything increasing, world politics getting more militaristic, governments continuously reducing civil liberties, shortages of goods on the market and weather patterns resembling bad Hollywood movies?
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 8:25 pm Post subject: Bush 'plans Iran air strike by August'
The George W Bush administration plans to launch an air strike against Iran within the next two months, an informed source tells Asia Times Online, echoing other reports that have surfaced in the media in the United States recently.
Two key US senators briefed on the attack planned to go public with their opposition to the move, according to the source, but their projected New York Times op-ed piece has yet to appear.
The source, a retired US career diplomat and former assistant secretary of state still active in the foreign affairs community, speaking anonymously, said last week that the US plans an air strike against the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC). The air strike would target the headquarters of the IRGC's elite Quds force. With an estimated strength of up to 90,000 fighters, the Quds' stated mission is to spread Iran's revolution of 1979 throughout the region.
But an air strike will provoke reactions far beyond US voting booths. That would explain why two veteran senators, one Republican and one Democrat, were reportedly so horrified at the prospect.
Asia Times has always been very useful when you have to get the message out in a timely manner in a credible way. That's for you Georgie, you never did know when to listen to your elders. You can block the Times, but you can't block the Asia Times.
Web extra: Note that the nuclear sites were NOT mentioned. Guess who's air force will be taking out those simultaneously. That is if the ringleader survives til then. They may have to speed up the timetable. _________________ In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
- George Orwell
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 8:36 pm Post subject: Re: Bush 'plans Iran air strike by August'
Unless the U.S. was threatened with attack,and I mean a real imminent attack, not some fuzzy future theoretical possibility, just how could Bush have the authority to launch such an attack. Wouldn't he need the approval of Congress to launch a war, justified or not?
And, with the past deceptions on Iraq, how could the Congress put much credibility in Bush's claims? Its election year, the Congress would have second thoughts on supporting an unpopular president without definitive proof of a threat. No more pictures of aluminum tubes. And, I don't think the American public would tolerate to see the U.S. launch a pre-emptive attack based on some perception that Iran had Israel in tis cross hairs either.
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 8:41 pm Post subject: Re: Bush 'plans Iran air strike by August'
There's what you are supposedly legally able to do and there is what you can do because someone will follow your orders because you are President of the United States even if that order is illegal.
This from Bush at the Air Force Academy:
"And once again, our nation is called to defeat these adversaries -- and secure the peace for millions across the world. And once again, our enemies will be no match for the men and women of the United States Air Force."
Oops, he telegraphed his punch. Whether anyone can stop him from throwing it is another question. _________________ In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
- George Orwell
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 9:25 pm Post subject: Re: Bush 'plans Iran air strike by August'
Quote:
Unless the U.S. was threatened with attack,and I mean a real imminent attack, not some fuzzy future theoretical possibility, just how could Bush have the authority to launch such an attack. Wouldn't he need the approval of Congress to launch a war, justified or not?
Dude please.
He's the CIC. He says go, they go. There's no bu11shit about waiting for some senate to say OK.
That's the way it's always been. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 9:33 pm Post subject: Re: Bush 'plans Iran air strike by August'
Heres the deal.
If Iran gets a nuke, they will use it and our way of life will be over due to fallout and global chaos.
So its damn if you do and damn if you dont.
I dont know either but you cannot let that country hold the world hostage. wait til they get 20 and you have a real problem as Europe in range immediately.
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 9:59 pm Post subject: Re: Bush 'plans Iran air strike by August'
YEA! Finally some great air time for the AirForce!
Cid, as usual your bias shows. There have been "imminent plans to attack Iran" here at peak oil every two to three months for at least the past 3 years.
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 10:22 pm Post subject: Re: Bush 'plans Iran air strike by August'
What do you know about it, fish-face. Also, if you look under my picture you will see a joined date. Does it really seem I've been here that long? Guess it's because I shoot straight and don't parse words. _________________ In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
- George Orwell
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 10:47 pm Post subject: Re: Bush 'plans Iran air strike by August'
The REAL question is do we allow Iran to possess nuclear weapons and at what price to the rest of civilization.
These nukes are not like the ones at Hiroshima, they are 100 times larger. Drop on on Europe and the dark ages will look good in comparison for all of us.
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 11:00 pm Post subject: Re: Bush 'plans Iran air strike by August'
Actually you should be more concerned with Pakistan who already have nuclear warheads and long range missiles and are quickly becoming the Taliban's best friend. How come the Bush Administration or the Western Media aren't talking about that, eh?(hint: they lack huge oil deposits)
The US has suffered several very major geopolitical setbacks in a very short time due to a president that frankly lacks the capability to understand the issues, so doesn't try and relies on the advice of equally limited advisors that just happen to share the same political delusions. _________________ In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
- George Orwell
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 11:15 pm Post subject: Re: Bush 'plans Iran air strike by August'
joelcolorado wrote:
Heres the deal.
If Iran gets a nuke, they will use it and our way of life will be over due to fallout and global chaos.
So its damn if you do and damn if you dont.
I dont know either but you cannot let that country hold the world hostage. wait til they get 20 and you have a real problem as Europe in range immediately.
I thought PO was taking care of "our way of life"?
Guess we're screwed all around.
cb _________________ President Bush: “There’s no question about it. Wall Street got drunk—that’s one of the reasons I asked you to turn off the TV cameras. It got drunk, and now it’s got a hangover."
Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 12:10 am Post subject: Re: Bush 'plans Iran air strike by August'
Cid_Yama wrote:
What do you know about it, fish-face. Also, if you look under my picture you will see a joined date. Does it really seem I've been here that long? Guess it's because I shoot straight and don't parse words.
He's right though, same rumors have gone around for the past few years from as good if not more convincing sources during interesting circumstances. I think it's obvious they're going to do it at some point, my guess is next year with a possible "test" esculation this summer. And, as I'm sure you probably know, some of the rumoring is purposefully done and sometimes the rumors are correct however plans are changed. _________________ Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destory health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality.
Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 12:27 am Post subject: Re: Bush 'plans Iran air strike by August'
joelcolorado wrote:
Heres the deal.
If Iran gets a nuke, they will use it and our way of life will be over due to fallout and global chaos.
So its damn if you do and damn if you dont.
I dont know either but you cannot let that country hold the world hostage. wait til they get 20 and you have a real problem as Europe in range immediately.
A Jersalem Post article once estimated that at least 28 Million Iranians would die in a nuclear war. Iran knows this full well. They are highly rational to calculate that they, with their supposed first generation nukes, would be immensely in a disadvantageous position in any offensive scenario. They have alot of missles, you dont see them firing around. Thats because the Iraniian Defense Doctrine is devensive and not offensive.
Iran also knows that it would be extremely weakened once they got the bomb. The real issue I believe is the availability of high end technology in the hands of those oil rich adversaries.
The current rationing system and the spike in gas has made Iranian life immensely difficult. Nuclear power would do wonders, lack of it will eventually weaken Iran like the sanctions did to Iraq.
Lastly, Iranians havent attacked anyone in some 300 years. Any offense would cost the Islamic govt immensely in the legitimacy dept. Because a good majority of the population truly believe that its an Islamic govt and powermongering is contrary to the very culture of the region as they already find themselves a big victim of.
Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 1:15 am Post subject: Re: Bush 'plans Iran air strike by August'
Denny wrote:
Unless the U.S. was threatened with attack,and I mean a real imminent attack, not some fuzzy future theoretical possibility, just how could Bush have the authority to launch such an attack. Wouldn't he need the approval of Congress to launch a war, justified or not?
Due process has sofar failed to stop his lies and thirst for war - What makes you think if would now?
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