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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 8:25 pm    Post subject: Bush 'plans Iran air strike by August' Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

The George W Bush administration plans to launch an air strike against Iran within the next two months, an informed source tells Asia Times Online, echoing other reports that have surfaced in the media in the United States recently.

Two key US senators briefed on the attack planned to go public with their opposition to the move, according to the source, but their projected New York Times op-ed piece has yet to appear.

The source, a retired US career diplomat and former assistant secretary of state still active in the foreign affairs community, speaking anonymously, said last week that the US plans an air strike against the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC). The air strike would target the headquarters of the IRGC's elite Quds force. With an estimated strength of up to 90,000 fighters, the Quds' stated mission is to spread Iran's revolution of 1979 throughout the region.

But an air strike will provoke reactions far beyond US voting booths. That would explain why two veteran senators, one Republican and one Democrat, were reportedly so horrified at the prospect.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JE28Ak01.html

Asia Times has always been very useful when you have to get the message out in a timely manner in a credible way. Razz That's for you Georgie, you never did know when to listen to your elders. You can block the Times, but you can't block the Asia Times.

Web extra: Note that the nuclear sites were NOT mentioned. Guess who's air force will be taking out those simultaneously. That is if the ringleader survives til then. They may have to speed up the timetable.
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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 8:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Bush 'plans Iran air strike by August' Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Unless the U.S. was threatened with attack,and I mean a real imminent attack, not some fuzzy future theoretical possibility, just how could Bush have the authority to launch such an attack. Wouldn't he need the approval of Congress to launch a war, justified or not?

And, with the past deceptions on Iraq, how could the Congress put much credibility in Bush's claims? Its election year, the Congress would have second thoughts on supporting an unpopular president without definitive proof of a threat. No more pictures of aluminum tubes. And, I don't think the American public would tolerate to see the U.S. launch a pre-emptive attack based on some perception that Iran had Israel in tis cross hairs either.
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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 8:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Bush 'plans Iran air strike by August' Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

There's what you are supposedly legally able to do and there is what you can do because someone will follow your orders because you are President of the United States even if that order is illegal.

This from Bush at the Air Force Academy:

"And once again, our nation is called to defeat these adversaries -- and secure the peace for millions across the world. And once again, our enemies will be no match for the men and women of the United States Air Force."

Oops, he telegraphed his punch. Whether anyone can stop him from throwing it is another question.
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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 9:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Bush 'plans Iran air strike by August' Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Unless the U.S. was threatened with attack,and I mean a real imminent attack, not some fuzzy future theoretical possibility, just how could Bush have the authority to launch such an attack. Wouldn't he need the approval of Congress to launch a war, justified or not?

Dude please.

He's the CIC. He says go, they go. There's no bu11shit about waiting for some senate to say OK.

That's the way it's always been.
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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 9:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Bush 'plans Iran air strike by August' Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Heres the deal.

If Iran gets a nuke, they will use it and our way of life will be over due to fallout and global chaos.

So its damn if you do and damn if you dont.
I dont know either but you cannot let that country hold the world hostage. wait til they get 20 and you have a real problem as Europe in range immediately.
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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 9:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Bush 'plans Iran air strike by August' Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Cashmere wrote:
He's the CIC. He says go, they go. There's no bu11shit about waiting for some senate to say OK. That's the way it's always been.

I guess that whole idea of checks and balances, when it comes to the most grave decision a president can make, is just so passe.
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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 9:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Bush 'plans Iran air strike by August' Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

YEA! Finally some great air time for the AirForce!
Cid, as usual your bias shows. There have been "imminent plans to attack Iran" here at peak oil every two to three months for at least the past 3 years.
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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 10:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Bush 'plans Iran air strike by August' Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

What do you know about it, fish-face. Also, if you look under my picture you will see a joined date. Does it really seem I've been here that long? Guess it's because I shoot straight and don't parse words.
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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 10:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Bush 'plans Iran air strike by August' Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

The REAL question is do we allow Iran to possess nuclear weapons and at what price to the rest of civilization.

These nukes are not like the ones at Hiroshima, they are 100 times larger. Drop on on Europe and the dark ages will look good in comparison for all of us.
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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 11:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Bush 'plans Iran air strike by August' Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Actually you should be more concerned with Pakistan who already have nuclear warheads and long range missiles and are quickly becoming the Taliban's best friend. How come the Bush Administration or the Western Media aren't talking about that, eh?(hint: they lack huge oil deposits)

The US has suffered several very major geopolitical setbacks in a very short time due to a president that frankly lacks the capability to understand the issues, so doesn't try and relies on the advice of equally limited advisors that just happen to share the same political delusions.
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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 11:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Bush 'plans Iran air strike by August' Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

joelcolorado wrote:
Heres the deal.
If Iran gets a nuke, they will use it and our way of life will be over due to fallout and global chaos.
So its damn if you do and damn if you dont.
I dont know either but you cannot let that country hold the world hostage. wait til they get 20 and you have a real problem as Europe in range immediately.

I thought PO was taking care of "our way of life"?
Guess we're screwed all around.

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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 12:10 am    Post subject: Re: Bush 'plans Iran air strike by August' Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Cid_Yama wrote:
What do you know about it, fish-face. Also, if you look under my picture you will see a joined date. Does it really seem I've been here that long? Guess it's because I shoot straight and don't parse words.

He's right though, same rumors have gone around for the past few years from as good if not more convincing sources during interesting circumstances. I think it's obvious they're going to do it at some point, my guess is next year with a possible "test" esculation this summer. And, as I'm sure you probably know, some of the rumoring is purposefully done and sometimes the rumors are correct however plans are changed.
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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 12:27 am    Post subject: Re: Bush 'plans Iran air strike by August' Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

joelcolorado wrote:
Heres the deal.
If Iran gets a nuke, they will use it and our way of life will be over due to fallout and global chaos.
So its damn if you do and damn if you dont.
I dont know either but you cannot let that country hold the world hostage. wait til they get 20 and you have a real problem as Europe in range immediately.

A Jersalem Post article once estimated that at least 28 Million Iranians would die in a nuclear war. Iran knows this full well. They are highly rational to calculate that they, with their supposed first generation nukes, would be immensely in a disadvantageous position in any offensive scenario. They have alot of missles, you dont see them firing around. Thats because the Iraniian Defense Doctrine is devensive and not offensive.

Iran also knows that it would be extremely weakened once they got the bomb. The real issue I believe is the availability of high end technology in the hands of those oil rich adversaries.
The current rationing system and the spike in gas has made Iranian life immensely difficult. Nuclear power would do wonders, lack of it will eventually weaken Iran like the sanctions did to Iraq.
Lastly, Iranians havent attacked anyone in some 300 years. Any offense would cost the Islamic govt immensely in the legitimacy dept. Because a good majority of the population truly believe that its an Islamic govt and powermongering is contrary to the very culture of the region as they already find themselves a big victim of.
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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 1:15 am    Post subject: Re: Bush 'plans Iran air strike by August' Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Denny wrote:
Unless the U.S. was threatened with attack,and I mean a real imminent attack, not some fuzzy future theoretical possibility, just how could Bush have the authority to launch such an attack. Wouldn't he need the approval of Congress to launch a war, justified or not?

Due process has sofar failed to stop his lies and thirst for war - What makes you think if would now?
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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 1:19 am    Post subject: Re: Bush 'plans Iran air strike by August' Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

joelcolorado wrote:
Heres the deal.
If Iran gets a nuke, they will use it and our way of life will be over due to fallout and global chaos.

That's absurd fearmongering.

Do you get your news off of the back of cereal box?
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