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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Wanted: Simple Solutions. Please Apply Within. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

To be blunt I don't have any "solutions".
However I think some countries will do a much better job of transitioning to a post PO world.
1) few will actually prosper (near term)
2) some will be lucky just to survive
3) and the rest will collapse

Whenever anybody uses the word "government" and "manage" in the same sentence, it gives me goosebumps. However putting ideology aside and looking at the facts we can see a nation like Iran (that sits on an ocean of oil) have gasoline shortages while in France (no oil, no coal, no natural gas) has a stable supply of electricity.
Any nation that's doing a bad job of managing it's resources today will most likely end up as item 3) on the above list.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Wanted: Simple Solutions. Please Apply Within. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

MrBill wrote:
Wanted: Simple Solutions. Please Apply Within.

    Must have low economic costs
    with few negative social consequences.
    Must work well under stress
    in a multi-cultural environment.
    Must be politically acceptable to everyone,
    offensive to no one.
    Must be flexible and willing to travel.
    Radical solutions need not apply.



I guess that is why Ron Paul is out of contention for president now.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:03 am    Post subject: Re: Wanted: Simple Solutions. Please Apply Within. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I guess if Ron Paul is so popular then he could run as an Independent? Personally, I do not put my faith in politicians of any stripe. They're part of the problem. Not part of the solution.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:07 am    Post subject: Re: Wanted: Simple Solutions. Please Apply Within. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Thanks to MOCKBA for bringing this article to my attention. Financial contagion from the subprime lead credit crisis as it spreads across the developed world and now into Asia. This does not fall under simple solutions, but more like the unintended consequences of sloppy lending practices.

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The following brief mention in a recent article (Cheap talk, pricey banks, Asia Times Online, June 4, 2008) now appears to be rapidly becoming the main story in the region:

Vietnam represents a cautionary example for all Asian governments. The country attempted to fight market attempts to push the value of its currency, the dong, higher. This was "achieved" by strong-arm tactics including the arrest of some bankers and pushing through drastic limitations on foreign investors. Stuck with a number of their investments, foreign investors have pushed up Vietnam's credit costs in external markets, by more than 100 basis points in the past two weeks alone, essentially rendering any recourse to such financing untenable for the country. Meanwhile, the loss of investor confidence has pushed stock markets into a downward spiral, with the benchmark index falling every day in May (absolutely unprecedented anywhere in the world).

This is the problem with traditional Asian responses to market forces, dictated as they are by communist ideology rather than rational understanding. The fallout from Vietnam though is quite negative for smaller Asian economies, such as the Philippines, as it shows the limits to market patience with such government shenanigans. A rising US dollar would make matters worse for Asia in the short run, by creating greater inflation and sharper declines in household wealth, even as the concurrent benefits on exports fail to materialize thanks to a US recession.

Source: Vietnam's hard economic lesson for China
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:27 am    Post subject: Re: Wanted: Simple Solutions. Please Apply Within. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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The country attempted to fight market attempts to push ... its ... dong, higher.


Why would you not want your dong higher? Sounds like price controls on prostitution.


(Sorry, someone had to)
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:55 am    Post subject: Re: Wanted: Simple Solutions. Please Apply Within. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

mgibbons19 wrote:
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The country attempted to fight market attempts to push ... its ... dong, higher.


Why would you not want your dong higher? Sounds like price controls on prostitution.


(Sorry, someone had to)


According to the Minister of Culture, Sum-long Dong, there is no prostitution in Vietnam. That is purely a capitalistic vice. They were all re-educated in Vietnam's great Rice not Vice campaign.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:53 am    Post subject: Re: Wanted: Simple Solutions. Please Apply Within. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Don't worry. Be happy!


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Denmark, with its democracy, social equality and peaceful atmosphere, is the happiest country in the world, researchers said on Monday.

Zimbabwe, torn by political and social strife, is the least happy, while the world's richest nation, the United States, ranks 16th.

Overall, the world is getting happier, according to the U.S. government-funded World Values Survey, done regularly by a global network of social scientists.

It found increased happiness from 1981 to 2007 in 45 of 52 countries analyzed.


source: Denmark world's happiest country
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Wanted: Simple Solutions. Please Apply Within. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Gardens, closing off unused room to heat or cool, all manners
of personal behavior changes to become more sustainable,
including the personal financial fundamentals Mr. Bill rings
like a bell so often in this forum are all step one.

Here on the edge of suburbia and farm country where I live,
(right on the edge boundary) I am experiencing my kid have
friends tell her (and her tell them) that a trip to such and such
is out due to the high cost of gasoline. Virtually all these kids
have been digitally connected since they were weaned. I
simply observe how incredibly quickly and cleverly they text
message and phone each other and engineer solutions.
Now 4 kids are piling in a car, and one parent makes the
delivery leg of the trip and another makes the pickup leg.

We need to take all the possible personal steps and then
network in our immediate communities both verbally and
digitally and share any and all possible resources including
garden produce, car rides, reusable goods, etc. to beat
at the juggernaut of the petroleum cost avalanche.

Sound individual cells (families, groups, neighborhoods, etc.)
networking with other sound cells to share resources and
becoming a redundant and rapidly responsive and
reconfigurable fabric of support without government
insertion of bureaucracy seems likely to happen because
the need is there, and the digital communications is
pervasive to glue it all together.

Tell a kid no and give them a reason and watch them
figure out a solution. It is humbling and reassuring at
the same time. Once the blasted Hollywood shows and
media start showing some examples and making it
"cool" (or whatever the right slang term du jour is now)
you watch our kids show the adults how to do it.

When you get on a major highway and see 2 people commuting
in at least half of the cars, it will be a sign our heads are finally
popping out of our butts.

The adults will have to figure out a way to trade some sort
of petroleum chits when they share rides, but as always
cash works pretty good and is always welcome.

Kunstler says: "we will do what we have done until we can't
and then we won't". I agree totally. We are starting to see
a tinge of "can't" come into the everyday living equation,
and people are going to respond with the tools they have
to work with. Consume less and communicate more and
share resources to become more able to cope with personal
crisis via shared resources. If you are inclined, pray hard.

It is going to be fascinating when it isn't terrifying.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Wanted: Simple Solutions. Please Apply Within. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

How about poultry? Chickens in particular:

1. Grows pretty fast to adulthood.
2. Produces eggs.
3. Butchered for meat.
4. Creates manure for fertilizer, fuel, or other uses.
5. Chicken feathers (although not as nice as goose down) could be used for insulation purposes.
6. Butchered leftovers could be used for Depolymerization (I know, depolymerization is still under a lot of debate).

I'm not a poultry farmer but did go to a boarding school that had a poultry with over a 1000 chickens. Any comments?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Wanted: Simple Solutions. Please Apply Within. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Chickens are a very viable way to do small scale solutions
for personal or community projects. My neighbor,
Jim "Pretty Boy" Jenkins learned to strut around while
he bobs his head up and down from watching roosters
when he was a boy. Sure glad Pretty Boy don't crow
every morning when the sun comes up though.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 1:13 am    Post subject: Re: Wanted: Simple Solutions. Please Apply Within. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Chickens, pigs, rabbits, etc. are all nice little money spinners for those that can in a rural setting. Those that are in the urban poor category will not have that luxury. Hard to grow livestock in an apartment block. Also you need feed, of course, and theft is a real issue. Definitely something that I would be commited to, but it will not alone mitigate our energy problems. Still, each to their own. All part of the big picture.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:28 am    Post subject: Re: Wanted: Simple Solutions. Please Apply Within. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Over fishing, collapsing wild fish stocks and destruction of marine habitat directly affects over one billion people that rely on the sea for their livelihood. Add in population growth and further reductions in this capacity and perhaps as many as 3-4 billion may eventually be affected. As they shift consumption to land based agriculture that increase in consumption affects everyone globally. A tuna for your thoughts?

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FORT LAUDERDALE, Florida (Reuters) - Like a tooth dipped in a glass of Coca-Cola, coral reefs, lobsters and other marine creatures that build calcified shells around themselves could soon dissolve as climate change turns the oceans increasingly acidic.

The carbon dioxide spewed into the atmosphere by factories, cars and power plants is not just raising temperatures. It is also causing what scientists call "ocean acidification" as around 25 percent of the excess CO2 is absorbed by the seas.

The threat to hard-bodied marine organisms, such as coral reefs already struggling with warming waters, is alarming, and possibly quite imminent, marine scientists gathered this week for a coral reef conference in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, said.


source: Acidifying oceans pose danger to coral reefs


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:38 am    Post subject: Re: Wanted: Simple Solutions. Please Apply Within. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Worldwide, scalable solutions to depleting fossil fuels don't exist in my opinion. Small, individual solutions are the only answers I can see. We are adopting these:

Smaller used area of our existing home, by installing doors so close off areas, plus super insulation to cut energy use.

Summer kitchen/greenhouse with solar heat gain.

Passive solar window box heaters, with woodstove backup that provides cooking heat in winter.

Clotheslines, indoors and out.

Bicycles with trailers. I will add a 49cc 4 cycle motor to one for town trips.

Home business means no commute.

Garden, orchard, and misc. perennials instead of a lawn, and fenced for chickens. Small livestock are used for food as needed, saving refrigeration or freezing/canning.

Root cellar, food drying, and canning.

Cisterns for home and garden water, plus a septic system means no water/sewer bills.

Paid mortgage reduces cash outlays.

We chose an area with low property tax rates. It is farm country, where we have access to farm products by local trade.

My wife sews some of our clothes, I own a machine shop that does most all our own repairs and do our own building construction of local lumber. (Minimal).

We eat seasonally, mostly from our own produce and local foods. We grind our own flour and bake bread. We make soap from fat saved from the kitchen.

In the words of a Quaker Friend, when asked about his philosophy, "Live as the best example you can be. Clean up your own backyard first, before preaching to others. Do that, and you'll be pretty busy." A fine man that I miss a lot since he's gone, but I remember him well.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:14 am    Post subject: Re: Wanted: Simple Solutions. Please Apply Within. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

SNAFU Cypriot-Style

Cyprus is experiencing one of its worst water shortages. It desalinates sea water, but not enough to cover the needs of its 800,000 people and visitors at the height of the tourist season.


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Drought-stricken Cyprus is unable to distribute a shipment of water from Greece directly to households because it smells bad, authorities said on Wednesday.

A tanker containing 40,000 cubic meters of water has been anchored off the parched Mediterranean island's south coast for two weeks awaiting completion of the infrastructure needed to bring it onshore.

The Cypriot agriculture ministry said the water's quality remains good but it has a bad odor, possibly because of its extended storage time or treatment with chlorine. Consequently, it will be channeled into an aquifer rather than directly into the island's water network as previously indicated.

"It will be deposited in the aquifer, to replenish it and where it will undergo a natural filtering process," said water department official Kyriakos Kyrou, who denied the water would be discarded.


source: Cyprus homes can't use "smelly" Greek water
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"The majority of biomass carbon in natural forests resides in the woody biomass of large old trees. Commercial logging changes the age structure of forests so that the average age of trees is much younger,"
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Not only did natural forests store more carbon but because they remained untouched, they stored the carbon for longer than plantation forests which were cut down on a rotation basis.

The report found that "natural forests are more resilient to climate change and disturbances than plantations".

Co-author of the report Brendan Mackey said protecting natural forests served two purposes: it maintained a large carbon sink and stopped the release of the forest's stored carbon.

"Protecting the carbon in natural forests is preventing an additional emission of carbon from what we get from burning fossil fuel," Mackey told Reuters.

The carbon stored in the world's biomass and soil was approximately three times the amount in the atmosphere, said the report. About 35 percent of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere is a result of past deforestation and 18 percent of annual global emissions is from continued deforestation.

The report said logging resulted in more than a 40 percent reduction in long-term carbon compared with unlogged forests.


source: Untouched forests store 3 times more carbon
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