Oil's energy contribution has declined by about 12% since 1999. The world's economies have also declined by about 12%. (Using conventional metrics, which are time delayed determinations, this will only be seen in hind sight). The massive destruction of asset values now occurring testifies to it happening.
Peak is well behind us, world economies have peaked and will continue to decline.
Joined: Apr 27, 2007 Posts: 4351 Location: The Great Sonoran Desert
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:31 pm Post subject: Re: Gardeners, this is the starving time.
Pops wrote:
But what do you eat if there is nothing in the pantry from last season and nothing is ready to harvest?
Takes an acre per person per year Pops.
Jack is right.
And when the furry rodents are gone...you will die.
That about answers your question as completely as it can be.
This thread will be short lived. _________________ "There must be a bogeyman; there always is, and it cannot be something as esoteric as "resource depletion." You can't go to war with that." Emersonbiggins
"... hope is a rotten-thighed whore" Niko Kazantzakis
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: Gardeners, this is the starving time.
We've been eating asparagus and Swiss chard every night, and lettuce from under the cold frames. But you're right - there's not much this time of year. The potatoes, winter squash and carrots in the root cellar are all gonzo. At least the freezer is still well stocked.
Joined: Nov 18, 2004 Posts: 1137 Location: Central Texas
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: Gardeners, this is the starving time.
I still have to shell about 5 lbs of pecans.
More cherry tomatoes?
I brought in two more pounds of tomatoes today. That's about it for the spring tomatoes. The heat is on now, and I just hope to keep some plants alive till fall.
I'll post my update in Xerces' thread. _________________ About my avatar: Guess.
Joined: Sep 03, 2007 Posts: 640 Location: Sunny Virginia, USA
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: Gardeners, this is the starving time.
Pops wrote:
All the leaves look green, you have silk and blossoms and everything is sprouting.
But what do you eat if there is nothing in the pantry from last season and nothing is ready to harvest?
Geez, I don't know, what did they, eat this time of year, before oil and technology? If I couldn't count on buying food, I'd be working at growing and storing more food than I could eat in a year. Dried foods can last quite a while, ditto on salted meat. Chickens, as I understand it, lay most of the year, while rabbits multiply like crazy.
The lettuce has just turned bitter and I'm letting it bolt for the seeds. I've got cucumbers, tomatoes, and radishes like crazy (the leaves on the radishes are good eating). Finally, you never kill a white-tailed deer unless there's an "R" in the name of the month, so y'all have to wait until Argust.
They're right, a short lived thread... because unlike most of the very reflective, informative and sit-up-and-take-notice things you write about, Pops, this one is kinda silly. _________________ When somebody makes a statement you don't understand, don't tell him he's crazy. Ask him what he means. -- Otto Harkaman, Space Viking
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:18 pm Post subject: Re: Gardeners, this is the starving time.
I think the question was rhetorical. Designed to get you to thinking about how much food you might actually need to keep on hand. That is, MORE than a year's supply. Something to tie you from harvest to harvest. Granted, for those of us with the means to produce our food, and the space to hunt and fish, there are more options.... we'd be eating a lot of fish and eggs this time of year in that situation... but the question wasn't looking for a particular answer other than, "Hmm. Pops has a point, and it's not just the one on top of his head ."
Kathy
Joined: May 06, 2006 Posts: 873 Location: Tustin, CA
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:26 pm Post subject: Re: Gardeners, this is the starving time.
I've been reading the Mormon sites for the last couple years. I cannot honestly accept their theology or I'd be one, but their advice on preparing for hard times cannot be beat.
I have about 4 months of supplies set away right now in my apartment and am desperately trying to get friends of mine with houses and storage space to do the same.
If I actually had a family, (I'm a single old guy), I would be trying to set away a year's supply of food and necessities. _________________ Skeptical scrutiny in both Science and Religion is the means by which deep thoughts are winnowed from deep nonsense-Carl Sagan
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