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Armageddon
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 Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 10:15 pm Post subject: Re: Water-fuel car unveiled in Japan |
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| Drifter wrote: | | Armageddon wrote: | | MonteQuest wrote: | | Armageddon wrote: | | Since the car already has a generator, why can't it be duel purposed ? Charge the battery and crack the hydrogen ? |
And use the hydrogen to power the generator?
That's perpetual motion and impossible.
You cannot get more energy out of a system than you put in.
1st law of thermodynamics. |
Why can't the battery be used as the energy source to crack the hydrogen while the car is running ? |
How quickly would the battery drain, and what would recharge the battery? |
The generator, lol. Believe me, I don't believe in this theory, I am just wondering if a car can crack the hydrogen while it is running by using its battery and generator. |
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MonteQuest
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 10:52 pm Post subject: Re: Water-fuel car unveiled in Japan |
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| Armageddon wrote: | | Why can't the battery be used as the energy source to crack the hydrogen while the car is running ? |
How did the battery get it's energy? From being charged by the hydrogen running the engine's generator.
How did the engine get it's hydrogen? From the generator.
You cannot get more energy out of a system than you put into it.
That would be creating energy and violate 1st law.
Energy can neither be created or destroyed. It can only be tranformed from one form to another, and always at a lost of usable energy.
2nd law.
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Starvid
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 11:09 pm Post subject: Re: Another Car runs on water hoax |
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Don't even try with Armageddon.
He's completely off the deep side. No use my friend.
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directinfo
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:13 am Post subject: Re: Water-fuel car unveiled in Japan |
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| MonteQuest wrote: | | Armageddon wrote: | | Why can't the battery be used as the energy source to crack the hydrogen while the car is running ? |
How did the battery get it's energy? From being charged by the hydrogen running the engine's generator.
How did the engine get it's hydrogen? From the generator.
You cannot get more energy out of a system than you put into it.
That would be creating energy and violate 1st law.
Energy can neither be created or destroyed. It can only be tranformed from one form to another, and always at a lost of usable energy.
2nd law. |
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It must be really tiring for you engineers, physicists, electricians and other analysts to hear the same arguments over and over and over.
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kublikhan
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Last_Laff
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:49 am Post subject: Re: Another Car runs on water hoax |
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Cars runs on water (r) for dummies.
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Judgie
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:01 am Post subject: Re: Another Car runs on water hoax |
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| idiom wrote: | Quick, find all the clean wate ryou can, and we will destroy it in cars.
At least we won't have the starvation side-effect of ethanol. |
It will be replaced with the de-hydration effect of "business as usual at all costs" stupidity.
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Judgie
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:05 am Post subject: Re: Another Car runs on water hoax |
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allenwrench
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Jack
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Madpaddy
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:50 pm Post subject: Re: Will this curtial some of PO's catostophic future? |
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allenwrench. I hope you are wearing a flak jacket and helmet.
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Sellis1012
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:53 pm Post subject: Re: Will this curtial some of PO's catostophic future? |
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Right, I had a rocket like that when I was a kid back in the 70s. Add water, pump and release. I believe this was posted somewhere else. The story is of very quetionable character. My take on it is Honda just released a hydrogen hybrid that will take years to catch on due to hydrogen pumping station scarcity and the overwhelming cost of producing hydrogen not to mention the carbon producing hydrogen emits. Why put all that effort into a car if some other Japenese company has a car that you can fill up at your local stream? |
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TheDude
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:54 pm Post subject: Re: Will this curtial some of PO's catostophic future? |
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"catostophic"? Sounds like we're all going to get enemas! 
Time for a Merge-a-Thon:
Another Car runs on water hoax
Water-fuel car unveiled in Japan
And we had a big thread on the whole RF generating hydrogen whatever it was.
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americandream
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:59 pm Post subject: Re: Will this curtial some of PO's catostophic future? |
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Snake oil anybody?
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