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strontium Tar Sands


Joined: Jun 21, 2008 Posts: 35
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Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:58 am Post subject: Why Technology Will Solve Peak Oil in the End |
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Over human history Every boost in sustainable population levels has been achieved by a new energy technology.
Neolithic people relied on human muscles for energy/food production.
Early agriculture used animals for hunting/plowing/milling/pumping.
Later agriculture used wind and rivers (for pumping/grinding/shipping)
Even later it used steam for mining/shipping/rail
Modern society is based on liquid fossil fuels.
Our next technology is biotech and this will save us. It will save
us because it will harness the greatest source of energy within
reach- life itself. Indirectly, life is powered by the sun and nothing, not even all the petrochemicals on earth can compare to it.
Think Manhattan Project- 6 years to build a nuclear weapon.
Think microbes that will break down ANY plant cell wall (the real problem in ethanol production is we can't just use any plant matter to produce it. Hence we stupidly use food crops).
They are already looking for the needed microbes in termite guts.
Think genetic manipulation and who-gives-a-damn about the possible environmental consequences of the bugs they produce. (I mean this is civilisation at stake rght?)
Think of all the weed infested waterways, junk land, byproducts of agriculture (stubble, chaff and waste), household waste and simple algae ponds that could be converted to ethanol?
Think of microbes that will turn tar sands into usable fuel instead
'of using clumsy chemical/mechanical processes that pollute and use far too much energy?
Think water weeds manipulated to grow like bamboo (some species grow 1 metre (3 feet) in a day) as feedstock for ethanol.
Think plants engineered to produce high energy hydrocarbons (i mean crush a eucalypt leaf and smell that oil) and which are engineered to release it only in the presence of a new engineered organism.
Plants that grow in salty, dry soil faster than asparagus.
Unbelievable? The gene that protects some crops from the herbicide called roundup is actually from a fish.
Human genes are now in the DNA of lab cows and pigs so they can produce human antibodies for us.
Rest assured, if civilisation is under threat the people with money
and power will spare nothing to solve the technological issues that underlie it. Not because they love we poor and powerless scum but because it offers them the potential to become even richer and more powerful.
We aren't there yet because it was easier for them to play the same old game and win. But if the game is about to change, they will make the rules for the new game as they always have.
Whether we like it or not, life on earth will be engineered and exploited to suit our needs. It always has been whether thru domestication, breeding, overfishing, extinction or whatever.
We don't give up easy which is why we're still here and dinosaurs
aren't.
Do people really think that all the brilliant minds in the world haven't
had a passing thougt to all of this and that a civilisation that can put men on the moon, extract energy from fission, calculate the first moments of the big bang, and NOW!!! has created the first hand made genome from scratch (yes never before in nature) will
just slap its forehead and say "well, this energy thing sure beats me".
No way. I'm not saying society/government is very forward thinking (why would it be when short term approaches make so much money anyway) but when threatened as a species we have tyically had the gonads to find a way out.
We have the embryonic tools to solve this and soon we will have the money, focus and priority to make it happen.
Former crashed civililsations had nowhere near the intellectual understanding or sheer resources to rescue themselves to rescue themselves, but we sure as hell do. |
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PeakOiler Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Nov 18, 2004 Posts: 1090 Location: Central Texas
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Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:03 am Post subject: Re: Why Technology Will Solve Peak Oil in the End |
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omg, have you got a lot to learn.
Heaven help us if those plant-eating microbes get out into the open environment... _________________ About my avatar: Guess. |
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MD Community Manager

Joined: May 02, 2005 Posts: 3429 Location: Oh really?
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Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:04 am Post subject: Re: Why Technology Will Solve Peak Oil in the End |
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Technology will continue to make life very nice for a few. _________________ "It's not demand; It's not supply.
It's coming up with credit to buy"
10-Oct-2008
Schultz: I see NOTHING! I know NOTHING!
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vision-master Fusion


Joined: May 18, 2006 Posts: 4394 Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:04 am Post subject: Re: Why Technology Will Solve Peak Oil in the End |
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| Quote: | | Why Technology Will Solve Peak Oil in the End. |
No, it's what will kill us. |
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strontium Tar Sands


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Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:07 am Post subject: Re: Why Technology Will Solve Peak Oil in the End |
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| MD wrote: | | Technology will continue to make life very nice for a few. |
It always has. From slavery of the Aztecs to Medieval serfdom. Nothing has changed that much in this regard. |
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strontium Tar Sands


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Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:09 am Post subject: Re: Why Technology Will Solve Peak Oil in the End |
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| vision-master wrote: | | Quote: | | Why Technology Will Solve Peak Oil in the End. |
No, it's what will kill us. |
The exponential growth of population suggests it has actually saved more than it killed.
The aim of the game is to ensure new technology will keep up this winning streak. |
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vision-master Fusion


Joined: May 18, 2006 Posts: 4394 Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:11 am Post subject: Re: Why Technology Will Solve Peak Oil in the End |
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| strontium wrote: | | vision-master wrote: | | Quote: | | Why Technology Will Solve Peak Oil in the End. |
No, it's what will kill us. |
The exponential growth of population suggests it has actually saved more than it killed.
The aim of the game is to ensure new technology will keep up this winning streak. |
Game over............  |
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strontium Tar Sands


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Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:11 am Post subject: Re: Why Technology Will Solve Peak Oil in the End |
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| PeakOiler wrote: | omg, have you got a lot to learn.
Heaven help us if those plant-eating microbes get out into the open environment... |
When we're talking species survival the risks could well be worth it. The atom bomb was worth the risk in the minds of those who mattered.
Chances are they'll make a similar decision again. |
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FireJack Heavy Crude


Joined: Mar 16, 2005 Posts: 451
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Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:15 am Post subject: Re: Why Technology Will Solve Peak Oil in the End |
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Over the years I have realized there is a difference between being optimistic and being delusional. I can say "everything is going to fall apart but I can make a good life for myself despite that" or I can think "Technology is going to make everything better and all those problems will be solved by them in some way." It's not negative thinking to say everything is not going to be okay its realistic.
If anyone wants to sit back and expect "brilliant minds" to allow the american way of life to continue (and engulf the rest of the world I assume) then you do that. |
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vision-master Fusion


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Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:15 am Post subject: Re: Why Technology Will Solve Peak Oil in the End |
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| strontium wrote: | | PeakOiler wrote: | omg, have you got a lot to learn.
Heaven help us if those plant-eating microbes get out into the open environment... |
When we're talking species survival the risks could well be worth it. The atom bomb was worth the risk in the minds of those who mattered.
Chances are they'll make a similar decision again. |
"gourd full of ashes" |
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strontium Tar Sands


Joined: Jun 21, 2008 Posts: 35
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Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:16 am Post subject: Re: Why Technology Will Solve Peak Oil in the End |
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| vision-master wrote: | | strontium wrote: | | vision-master wrote: | | Quote: | | Why Technology Will Solve Peak Oil in the End. |
No, it's what will kill us. |
The exponential growth of population suggests it has actually saved more than it killed.
The aim of the game is to ensure new technology will keep up this winning streak. |
Game over............  |
Maybe, maybe not.
But there are a lot of people who won't give up so easily.
If i had a few billion and a gene lab and a chance of being 100
billion richer i reckon i'd give the white coat guys a chance.
After all, how can you be important in gutted society and enjoy
a vintage wine, private jet, the ear of the powerful.
Nah, i reckon i'd give it a shot. |
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strontium Tar Sands


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Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:17 am Post subject: Re: Why Technology Will Solve Peak Oil in the End |
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| vision-master wrote: | | strontium wrote: | | PeakOiler wrote: | omg, have you got a lot to learn.
Heaven help us if those plant-eating microbes get out into the open environment... |
When we're talking species survival the risks could well be worth it. The atom bomb was worth the risk in the minds of those who mattered.
Chances are they'll make a similar decision again. |
"gourd full of ashes" |
It's amazing what some people will do for a plain old gourd, let alone the ashes.
It's a value judgement for both of us of course. |
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Aaron 800 lb Gorilla

Joined: Apr 15, 2004 Posts: 6413 Location: Houston
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Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:18 am Post subject: Re: Why Technology Will Solve Peak Oil in the End |
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Sounds familiar.
http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic2274.html+advocate _________________ "When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." - Stephen F Roberts.
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strontium Tar Sands


Joined: Jun 21, 2008 Posts: 35
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Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:21 am Post subject: Re: Why Technology Will Solve Peak Oil in the End |
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| FireJack wrote: | Over the years I have realized there is a difference between being optimistic and being delusional. I can say "everything is going to fall apart but I can make a good life for myself despite that" or I can think "Technology is going to make everything better and all those problems will be solved by them in some way." It's not negative thinking to say everything is not going to be okay its realistic.
If anyone wants to sit back and expect "brilliant minds" to allow the american way of life to continue (and engulf the rest of the world I assume) then you do that. |
I'm just saying that if the problem is that we can't produce ethanol from just any plant matter and can't supply enough of that plant matter to make a fuel replacement, then these can be solved.
Mapping the human genome was supposed to take 20 yrs.
It took about half that.
We are good at solving tech problems. It's social probs we're bad at. |
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Ferretlover Moderator


Joined: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 3641 Location: Minniesotuh
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Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:24 am Post subject: Re: Why Technology Will Solve Peak Oil in the End |
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| strontium wrote: | | PeakOiler wrote: | | omg, have you got a lot to learn. |
When we're talking species survival the risks could well be worth it. The atom bomb was worth the risk in the minds of those who mattered.
Chances are they'll make a similar decision again. |
*giggle* Why didn't I think of that?? Let's just blow up the planet-then, no-one will have to worry anymore about anything! Brilliant!PeakOiler is correct-I would suggest you spend a Lot more time reading here. To create those new technologies, you need resources-resources that are rapidly being depleted. _________________ "RRrrruuuunnnn!!!" ~Apocalypto |
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