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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:02 am    Post subject: Bye bye photovoltaics: rare earth elements depleted by 2017 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Seems like photovoltaics don't have a future:


http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson/journal/206171

Supplies of rare earth elements exhausted by 2017.


Flat-panel LCDs, high-output solar cells, nuclear reactor control rods (extinct: 2017 due to the world's indium supply - currently at 6,000 tons, gone) - even galvanized steel (extinct: 2037 - world's zinc supply exhausted) - all gone. Rare-earth lasers? Ditto. Doped semi-conductors? Buh-bye. Automotive and cell-phone electronics, and pcs? Don't throw out that old P1 with the crt just yet ... 15 years from now, it may just be state-of-the-art, as newer boxes succumb to tin whiskers, lack of replacement parts, etc.

Even the Wall Street Journal is starting to "get it"..

A Metal Scare to Rival the Oil Scare

Indium, gallium and hafnium are some of the least-known elements on the periodic table, but New Scientist warns that reserves of these low-profile minerals and others like them might soon be exhausted thanks to the demand for flat screens and other high-tech goods. Scientists who have tried to estimate how long the worlds mineral supply can meet global demand have made some gloomy predictions.

Armin Reller, a materials chemist at the University of Augsburg in Germany, estimates that in 10 years the world will run out of indium, used for making liquid-crystal displays for flat-screen televisions and computer monitors. He also predicts that the world will run out of zinc by 2037, and hafnium, an increasingly important part of computer chips, by 2017.

Researchers worry that a supply crunch in some metals and minerals could kill off promising new technologies. Rene Kleijn, a chemist at Leiden University in the Netherlands, says that a new design for solar panels that would make them twice as efficient as most current panels might not get built for lack of gallium and indium. Estimates of reserves vary widely, and scientists say it is difficult in some cases to accurately forecast demand, says New Scientists David Cohen. Whats more, it is possible that demand for some metals will plateau. Tom Graedel, a professor of industrial ecology at Yale University, found that per capita consumption of iron leveled off around 1980, suggesting that at some point people in technologically advanced societies might only need so much of any one metal. But Prof. Graedel notes that this hasnt been the case with copper, a crucial component of wiring and computer chips. He predicts that by 2100, global demand for copper might outstrip mineable supplies.

If the most dire predictions are true, recycling of rare metals will be the only way to manufacture some gadgets and machines as demand grows in the developing world. Mr. Kleijn says that a lot of copper could be freed up by replacing cities copper pipes with plastic ones. Hazel Prichard, a geologist at the University of Cardiff in the United Kingdom, also is developing ways to extract platinum, a vital component in catalytic converters and fuel cells, from the dust and grime of city streets. Apparently, urban grit contains 1.5 parts per million of platinum.

We are starting to run out of gallium and other rare earth elements.

The element gallium is in very short supply and the world may well run out of it in just a few years. Indium is threatened too, says Armin Reller, a materials chemist at Germany's University of Augsburg. He estimates that our planet's stock of indium will last no more than another decade. All the hafnium will be gone by 2017 also, and another twenty years will see the extinction of zinc. Even copper is an endangered item, since worldwide demand for it is likely to exceed available supplies by the end of the present century.

Gallium's atomic number is 31. It's a blue-white metal first discovered in 1831, and has certain unusual properties, like a very low melting point and an unwillingness to oxidize, that make it useful as a coating for optical mirrors, a liquid seal in strongly heated apparatus, and a substitute for mercury in ultraviolet lamps. It's also quite important in making the liquid-crystal displays used in flat-screen television sets and computer monitors.

As it happens, we are building a lot of flat-screen TV sets and computer monitors these days. Gallium is thought to make up 0.0015 percent of the Earth's crust and there are no concentrated supplies of it. We get it by extracting it from zinc or aluminum ore or by smelting the dust of furnace flues. Dr. Reller says that by 2017 or so there'll be none left to use. Indium, another endangered element - number 49 in the periodic table - is similar to gallium in many ways, has many of the same uses (plus some others: it's a gasoline additive, for example, and a component of the control rods used in nuclear reactors) and is being consumed much faster than we are finding it. Dr. Reller gives it about another decade. Hafnium, element 72, is in only slightly better shape. There aren't any hafnium mines around; it lurks hidden in minute quantities in minerals that contain zirconium, from which it is extracted by a complicated process that would take me three or four pages to explain. We use a lot of it in computer chips and, like indium, in the control rods of nuclear reactors, but the problem is that we don't have a lot of it. Dr. Reller thinks it'll be gone somewhere around 2017. Even zinc, commonplace old zinc that is alloyed with copper to make brass, and which the United States used for ordinary one-cent coins when copper was in short supply in World War II, has a Reller extinction date of 2037. (How does a novel called The Death of Brass grab you?)

Zinc was never rare. We mine millions of tons a year of it. But the supply is finite and the demand is infinite, and that's bad news. Even copper, as I noted above, is deemed to be at risk. We humans move to and fro upon the earth, gobbling up everything in sight, and some things aren't replaceable.


No more platinum for fuel cells.: http://www.science.org.au/nova/newscientist/027ns_005.htm

http://blog.techfun.org/can-we-build-the-future

Fuel cells?

It has been estimated that if all the 500 million vehicles in use today were re-equipped with fuel cells, operating losses would mean that all the worlds sources of platinum would be exhausted within 15 years. Unlike with oil or diamonds, there is no synthetic alternative: platinum is a chemical element, and once we have used it all there is no way on earth of getting any more.

The price of indium has already gone up over 1500% in 3 years ... it's needed for that new generation of high-output solar cells, as well as lcd displays. Extinct by 2017.

Armin Reller, a materials chemist at the University of Augsburg in Germany, and his colleagues are among the few groups who have been investigating the problem. He estimates that we have, at best, 10 years before we run out of indium. Its impending scarcity could already be reflected in its price: in January 2003 the metal sold for around $60 per kilogram; by August 2006 the price had shot up to over $1000 per kilogram.

http://www.takeonit.com/compare.aspx?rightexpertid=3&leftexpertid=24

So, got horse and buggy?

NOTE: Also submitted the following summary as a story, since this is both "news for nerds" AND "stuff that matters":

While we bemoan the current oil crisis, this
editorial led me to research about a more immediate threat. Ramped-up production of flat-panel displays means the material to make them, as well as other electronics, will be "extinct" by 2017.

The element gallium is in very short supply and the world may well run out of it in just a few years. Indium is threatened too, says Armin Reller, a materials chemist at Germany's University of Augsburg. He estimates that our planet's stock of indium will last no more than another decade. All the hafnium will be gone by 2017 also, and another twenty years will see the extinction of zinc. Even copper is an endangered item, since worldwide demand for it is likely to exceed available supplies by the end of the present century.
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Nice price evolution too:





Bigger charts:
http://www.minormetals.com/chartsall.aspx
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:30 am    Post subject: Re: Bye bye photovoltaics: rare earth elements depleted by 2 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

This should be interesting to watch.

Gallium also has several positive uses in the medical field.

Zinc is a life saver for rust prevention. No more galvanized nails, screws or garbage cans!

We are heading right back to the 18oo's if we like it or not.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:37 am    Post subject: Re: Bye bye photovoltaics: rare earth elements depleted by 2 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

frankthetank wrote:
This should be interesting to watch.

Gallium also has several positive uses in the medical field.

Zinc is a life saver for rust prevention. No more galvanized nails, screws or garbage cans!

We are heading right back to the 18oo's if we like it or not.


Garbage cans are less of a worry than the sacrificial zinc anodes on every ship afloat.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:44 am    Post subject: Re: Bye bye photovoltaics: rare earth elements depleted by 2 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Thats right lawnchair. My boat motor has one. Maybe i should put it in my kids piggy bank, he can pay for college with it Smile

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Zinc, the 27th most common element in the Earth's crust, is fully recyclable. At present, approximately 70% of the zinc produced originates from mined ores and 30% from recycled or secondary zinc. The level of recycling is increasing in step with progress in zinc production technology and zinc recycling technology.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:05 am    Post subject: Re: Bye bye photovoltaics: rare earth elements depleted by 2 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Hafnium (computer chips) gone by 2017. Sad
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:09 am    Post subject: Re: Bye bye photovoltaics: rare earth elements depleted by 2 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

But... but... but I thought that technology was going to save us from peak oil! Oh darn. I forgot that all that super technology to replace oil is dependent on the availability of precious ores/minerals, many of which are severely limited and dwindling. That old scalability reality keeps coming back and biting us, doesn't it? XXbuzzsaw

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:13 am    Post subject: Re: Bye bye photovoltaics: rare earth elements depleted by 2 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Are these people related to the folks at Club of Rome who predicted that the world would use up all of the world's gold by 1981? Zinc by 1990? Tin by 1987? Lead by 1993?

I'd take predictions like that with a grain of salt.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:16 am    Post subject: Re: Bye bye photovoltaics: rare earth elements depleted by 2 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Tyler_JC wrote:
Are these people related to the folks at Club of Rome who predicted that the world would use up all of the world's gold by 1981? Zinc by 1990? Tin by 1987? Lead by 1993?

I'd take predictions like that with a grain of salt.


Tyler,

1)Have you ever been wrong about a specific prediction or belief?

2) Does this mean that we should ignore every thing you ever say in the future?

or

3) Should we look at past wrong predictions, figure out where they were wrong, and then evaluate the current model based upon what we have learned?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:18 am    Post subject: Re: Bye bye photovoltaics: rare earth elements depleted by 2 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Tyler_JC wrote:
Are these people related to the folks at Club of Rome who predicted that the world would use up all of the world's gold by 1981? Zinc by 1990? Tin by 1987? Lead by 1993?

I'd take predictions like that with a grain of salt.

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Armin Reller, a materials chemist at the University of Augsburg in Germany

Quote:
Rene Kleijn, a chemist at Leiden University in the Netherlands


They have a lot more credibility than you.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:22 am    Post subject: Re: Bye bye photovoltaics: rare earth elements depleted by 2 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Tyler_JC wrote:
I'd take predictions like that with a grain of salt.


BTW, when is peak salt supposed to hit?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:29 am    Post subject: Re: Bye bye photovoltaics: rare earth elements depleted by 2 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Tyler, why are you so quick to dismiss these reports. Does this information rain on your technology parade?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:38 am    Post subject: Re: Bye bye photovoltaics: rare earth elements depleted by 2 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I highly recommend this Richard Heinberg book for anyone who doesn't understand the basic concept of limited natural resources:

Peak Everything: Waking Up to the Century of Declines

The twenty-first century ushered in an era of declines, in a number of crucial parameters:

* Global oil, natural gas, and coal extraction
* Yearly grain harvests
* Climate stability
* Population
* Economic growth
* Fresh water
* Minerals and ores, such as copper and platinum
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:40 am    Post subject: Re: Bye bye photovoltaics: rare earth elements depleted by 2 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

No more LCD panels! The horror!

Really... By 2020, i think a loss of hafnium will be the least of our worries!

We can recycle zinc from automobiles, considering very few will be in use at that time!

Work gear will consist of shovel, boats and gloves. Not much else needed to work the fields.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:42 am    Post subject: Re: Bye bye photovoltaics: rare earth elements depleted by 2 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:46 am    Post subject: Re: Bye bye photovoltaics: rare earth elements depleted by 2 Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

The big question is will there even be a working power grid by 2017 to power LCD screens and PC's?
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