Why Sweden will be One of the Worse EU nations Post Peak

GeneralGreen

Why Sweden will be One of the Worse EU nations Post Peak
I keep hearing on this forum and many other peak oil forums about Sweden and how many think it is set to be a good place to ride out the peak oil storm. I on the contrary strongly disagree with all I have read by the Pro-peak Swed crowd. Here are the reasons why i think it will par very bad in the coming storm. Lets look at 100 years ago so we can see pre-oil age and compare with 2008 Oil age and see where we heading.
1908-2008
Population
1908- 4,000,000
2008 nearing 9 million "with 2 million immigrants mainly from Africa and Muslim nations' Multicultural nation fail in low energy times. Or if they work they do so under slavery..Haves and have nots.
City-Country
1908- 75% of Sweds lived in the country side.
2008- 75% live in the cities
Farmings and work
1908- 55% of population make living from agriculture
2008-Less then 2%
Resources
Sweden imports all its oil,gas,uranium. it has some coal and lots of Woods-forest, and peat .With a cold climate and a high standard of living, Sweden is an energy intensive country; consequently, one fourth of the energy consumed is for space heating. Sweden has highly developed hydroelectric and nuclear generation capabilities; but little further development of these capabilities is expected.
Swed loves to flaunt itself on how its oil consuption has been in decline...but they fail to say that they used natural gas in its place.In the past thirty years, although natural gas represents a small portion of the total Swedish energy supply, it has been showing a steady increase. Coal has been fazing out in Sweden and when needed again the Sweden dont have the capabilities to easily switch back, Sweden imports near all its coal.
Government-State
Sweden is a welfare state, highly taxed socialized. Has a privatized pension plan fully trusting in the stock market 'unlike the USA'.
The state is extremely liberal, but fully supported and even trusted by the ave Swed "IMHO I see Sweden going communistic" The state relies on taxes to pay it welfare system 'of which most immigrant love to use', health care ect
Hyper Individualistic
If your a social person avoid Sweden! The people are the most individualistic people in the world. And totally selfish. And extremely liberal in their ideology. 30% of the mass of Swedes are on depression medication. For community support in a post peak world don't look for Sweds to give that support.
Sweds are pacifist people. Most love to complain. I expect many to sit in their home alone as they starve to death in the years 2020-2030 time.
This is one of the main reasons 'individualism' I feel they will suffer very dramatically in the years ahead.
Thats a quick basic run down...Lets now look at Sweden's past some more
In the past 300 years Sweden has had 4 major famines. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famines that each took a large tool on the population.
Thats at a time when 55% of the population were in farm related work and 75% lived in the countryside.
Up until about 1950 Sweden was one of the poorest European nations.
OK..I laid out the basics..and plan to elaborate on each point a bit later...
Sweden is in my top 5 of the worse places to live in Europe in a Post Peak Oil worlds.
Top 10 are in order of worse.
1. The UK
2. Belgium
3. Netherlands
4. Sweden
5. Italy
6. France
7. Spain
8. Portugal
9. Germany
10.Denmark

Munqi · Tar Sands Joined: May 04, 2008 Posts: 70 Location: Finland

Im curious to know why Finland didnt even make the list since Sweden and Finland are very much a like?

Cashmere · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Mar 27, 2008 Posts: 1495

Where do you live?
What's your citizenship?
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GeneralGreen

Micki

I don't agree with the Swedes being that selfish and I am suspicious about that % for people on anti-depressants.
Besides from that I also think Sweden in general will be a bad palce. A couple of hundreds of years of mental conditioning and decades of wellfare have turned bulk of the people into lame ass whiners.
Given that a majority is stuck in the city or burbs, there is however good opportunity for the few who are driven enought to move into the forest. Especially North and North West. Plenty of fire wood, game, fresh water lakes, rivers etc.
Personally I hate the cold, so not for me.

Olle · Tar Sands Joined: Jun 28, 2006 Posts: 91 Location: Sweden

I do not believe Sweden would be particularly great post peak, but maybe you should get your facts right…:

Just a few remarks:

1. We have 9,1 million people

2. A little more than 1 million immigrants, mostly from Europe
here you have the spread.
http://www.immi.se/migration/statistik/20grupper.htm

3. We have no coal

4. We do not use any meaningful amounts of NG

5. We actually use coal (all imported) , but mainly for steel manufacture

6. I loved this one:
"The state is extremely liberal, but fully supported and even trusted by the ave Swed "IMHO I see Sweden going communistic"
Do you know what "contradiction in terms” mean?

7. This one was good also:
"30% of the mass of Swedes are on depression medication"
It is 5-6%, like most countries in the developed world

All the other remarks on how we Swedes behave are obviously your experience, and I can not take that away from you, but maybe you overstate the national character a little bit. Swedes, just like Poles our any other people have great differences among themselves.
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only a matter of time; Ireland would be the first to go undoubtedly

Munqi · Tar Sands Joined: May 04, 2008 Posts: 70 Location: Finland

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DefiledEngine · Heavy Crude Joined: Aug 19, 2004 Posts: 272

On that list you provided, Sweden has had 2 famines. The same goes for most European countries.

In most countries there's been a huge shift of population towards the cities, nothing special about sweden there.

What sweden does have is one of the largest amounts of freshwater per capita in the world, incredibly important during post peak. Also, lots of game and forest. Sweden also have large uranium deposits as well as other minerals. Also a relatively low population density.

High individualism is prevalent among most western nations.
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