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NoWorries
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 Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:57 am Post subject: Oil is Dropping -- How low will it go? |
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Are we on our way back to ~ $100 oil by year end?
I think the odds are > 50% on that. I also think the likelihood of a stock market crash is > 50% by year end, and that will almost certainly depress oil prices even further. |
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VMarcHart
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:00 am Post subject: Re: Oil is Dropping -- How low will it go? |
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| NoWorries wrote: | | Are we on our way back to ~ $100 oil by year end? |
I'm not holding my breath on that. Why would it go down? |
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AlexdeLarge
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:07 am Post subject: Re: Oil is Dropping -- How low will it go? |
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I don't think its reflecting the supply side of the equation. Looks like the "Speculators" are now anticipating recession and heavy demand destruction.
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JoeW
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:08 am Post subject: Re: Oil is Dropping -- How low will it go? |
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| VMarcHart wrote: | | NoWorries wrote: | | Are we on our way back to ~ $100 oil by year end? |
I'm not holding my breath on that. Why would it go down? |
Decreased US consumption lately would have to be the main driver to push prices back down. The demand-side response to high prices is slow.
I think a retreat to $100 is possible, but there probably need to be some reports to show that inventories are building first due to decreased demand.
I wouldn't bet on it.
Prices will be volatile in the short term, but the overall long-term trend will be higher, just as Colin Campbell predicted. |
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Kingcoal
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:29 am Post subject: Re: Oil is Dropping -- How low will it go? |
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Demand destruction will cause the price to fluctuate in the short term, but I don't care about the short term. IMO, the long term trend is up, up and away.
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NeoPeasant
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:36 am Post subject: Re: Oil is Dropping -- How low will it go? |
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They said of the 1930's depression "A steak dinner cost a dollar, but you didn't have a dollar".
Perhaps they will say of the 2010's depression "A gallon of gas cost a dollar, but you didn't have a dollar."
The price of oil will drop as the consumers lose the ability to continue to pay the current prices.
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VMarcHart
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:52 am Post subject: Re: Oil is Dropping -- How low will it go? |
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| NeoPeasant wrote: | | They said of the 1930's depression, "A steak dinner cost a dollar, but you didn't have a dollar". Perhaps they will say of the 2010's depression "A gallon of gas cost a dollar, but you didn't have a dollar." |
I like that.
| NeoPeasant wrote: | | The price of oil will drop as the consumers lose the ability to continue to pay the current prices. |
Something to be said about this. There's so much discorrelation --does this word exist?-- between oil and gas, that even if oil dropped to $100, gas still has a lot to catch up. Consummers pay for gas, not oil. |
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Cashmere
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Joined: Mar 27, 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:59 am Post subject: Re: Oil is Dropping -- How low will it go? |
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Don't let every 5 or 10 dollar drop sway you.
When the price gets low enough, there is going to be a major spike back up.
Big players out there are licking their chops waiting to sniff bottom of dip. When they sniff - bam.
There are market players and forces well beyond what we can imagine.
Who knows, maybe there is motivation to suppress price to get short interest built for later squeezing.
In the end, oil moves up. If you have a 2 month long position, worry. If you have a 2 year long position, "what, me worry?"
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CoachT
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:11 am Post subject: Re: Oil is Dropping -- How low will it go? |
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| If you are invested in oil, don't hold on too long. It will continue to drop. Possibly a large drop this week. By September you need to be out or you will lose big time. |
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eastbay
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:14 am Post subject: Re: Oil is Dropping -- How low will it go? |
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| CoachT wrote: | | If you are invested in oil, don't hold on too long. It will continue to drop. Possibly a large drop this week. By September you need to be out or you will lose big time. |
Why? Do you have some inside information suggesting oil is soon going out of fashion?
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Cashmere
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:22 am Post subject: Re: Oil is Dropping -- How low will it go? |
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| CoachT wrote: | | If you are invested in oil, don't hold on too long. It will continue to drop. Possibly a large drop this week. By September you need to be out or you will lose big time. |
You have gotta love this.
Nothing like random quotes on the Internet.
Reminds me of the time I was in a bank and the Teller saw my 6 figure checking account number and asked me if I would like to see a "financial advisor" about investing the money.
So I look over and the "financial advisor" is sitting on the edge of a cube farm.
Hah!
Thanks random Internet guy.
Let me ask you this - how should I invest the money I've already made off of oil?
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threadbear
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:24 am Post subject: Re: Oil is Dropping -- How low will it go? |
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| CoachT wrote: | | If you are invested in oil, don't hold on too long. It will continue to drop. Possibly a large drop this week. By September you need to be out or you will lose big time. |
If international govts. are able to synchronize their plans to reregulate the energy exchanges, oil should drop back to 100.00 per barrel. It was the main topic of the G8 conference. Is this what you are thinking too? |
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threadbear
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:26 am Post subject: Re: Oil is Dropping -- How low will it go? |
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| Cashmere wrote: |
Big players out there are licking their chops waiting to sniff bottom of dip. When they sniff - bam.
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Have you been following recent economic/political developments? |
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threadbear
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:27 am Post subject: Re: Oil is Dropping -- How low will it go? |
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| NeoPeasant wrote: | They said of the 1930's depression "A steak dinner cost a dollar, but you didn't have a dollar".
Perhaps they will say of the 2010's depression "A gallon of gas cost a dollar, but you didn't have a dollar."
The price of oil will drop as the consumers lose the ability to continue to pay the current prices. |
You are going way too far the other way. We will still see an inflationary depression that will set the floor under the price pretty high, but bring the ceiling much lower. |
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Peleg
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:59 am Post subject: Re: Oil is Dropping -- How low will it go? |
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| Clearly it is heading back to $35 per barrel. |
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