US Refuses to Give Iraq Exit Date

Cashmere · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Mar 27, 2008 Posts: 1931

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Hmm, this is going to be interesting.
They seem to be saying, "thanks for the liberty, we'll take it from here."
And the U.S. seems to be saying, "you don't have enough liberty yet."
And they seem to be saying, "well let's set a date by which we'll be sure to have enough liberty."

And the U.S. seems to be saying, "sorry, we can't set that date until conditions on the ground are right."
And by "conditions on the ground", of course, the U.S. means "our ability to ensure that your oil is extracted and sold."
So this is what we call a Mexican standoff. Except in Mexico they are about to go into oil importation mode, so maybe that doesn't apply.
So it's an impasse. Thanks to the french for giving us that word.

And I find this fascinating, because the moment Iraq says, "you leave now" and the U.S. responds with, "no", then there is no way to view the U.S. military in Iraq other than as an occupying conqueror.
Not that there's any other way to view it now - but at that point, you won't be able to view it another way and still be considered to be sapient.
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Kingcoal

This is McCain's trump card. Remaining in Iraq indefinitely, that is. Iraq is a pawn in the coming election. Republicans need to argue that McCain is the best candidate because he can manage a war better or so they say. If, by the election, we are leaving Iraq, then where's the war? It reminds me of the novel 1984 and the need for constant warfare - it keeps the population scared and supporting draconian governments.
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heroineworshipper

Damn. Need another regime change.
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vetusfirma

Can you people get off your political issues and think about exactly what is happening. If we lose, in any sense, you and all those around you will suffer. This is not about the next election. If you can't get beyond that you will continue to force attention on the wrong areas. If you want war with Iran, then you should side with the twits in Iraq, who are probably in league with their shiite masters in Iran and the Grand Ayatollah.

Even the French are worried about Iran now.

And by the way, what god said we need anybodies permission to 'stay'. All we need the for it to be in the best interest of the American People.
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Kingcoal

Lose what? We won the war after a day or so. I don't know about you, vestusfirma, but I'm on the side of the USA. We fought the war to destroy the threat of WMD in Iraq. Well, we didn't find any, so there, mission accomplished! The Middle East has always been a screwed up place. Before Europeans got there, there really weren't anything that we would call countries, just a bunch of loosely connected tribes. They still behave like a bunch of waring tribes. That's not our fault, you can lead a horse to water...
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heroineworshipper

Somewhere between Iraq regime change 3.0, Iran regime change & China regime change, there needs to be a peakoil.com regime change.
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catbox

I say givem all WalMart gift cards and call it good.

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Cashmere · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Mar 27, 2008 Posts: 1931

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allenwrench · Intermediate Crude Joined: Apr 23, 2008 Posts: 842

Exit date?
Why do they want to leave? They are just getting started setting up office there?
War stinks. But we are in a new era of human life.
We will see much more turmoil in the near future than just the few killings that have come our of our current war effort.

We will be at war over crude until the last buckets have been sucked from the earth...so get used to it.
As we would leave the Middle East...China or Russia would step in.
See: link

gmin · Tar Sands Joined: Feb 05, 2006 Posts: 98

RedStateGreen

This is rich.

Of course they won't give an exit date. They never planned on leaving.
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