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KevO
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 Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:21 pm Post subject: Oil dips over secret US-IRAN deal on fuel pricing!!!! |
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| Quote: | Oil prices suddenly slumped Tuesday, July 8, as predicted by DEBKA-Net-Weekly on June 27, under the impact of the secret American-Iranian talks embarked on last month to solve burning issues by diplomatic engagement.
These talks between the US and Iranian delegations, representing President George W. Bush and Iranian supreme ruler Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, have yielded ad hoc understandings on controversial issues. One is an agreement not to allow the price of oil to rocket past $150 the barrel.
DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s exclusive Gulf and Iranian sources disclosed that the bilateral negotiations were deliberately masked by the war fever engineered by Washington in the form of a stream of leaks indicating that a US or Israeli attack on Iran’s nuclear installations was imminent.
At the same time, neither nation has sheathed its military option. Those understandings are ad hoc and could well break down in the volatile climate generated by hard-line elements of Iran’s Revolutionary Guards, which are dead against deals with Washington.
The last in a string of belligerent statements issued by IRGC chiefs came from Ali Shirazy, senior Navy cleric, who said Tuesday, July 8: If the US attacks Iran, “we will immediately strike back at Tel Aviv. Our first target is Tel Aviv and only then will we attack US shipping in the Persian Gulf; their destruction will represent Iran’s crushing reprisal.”
Behind the saber-rattling, however, DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s sources reported common ground was covered for three key objectives:
1. The American side was willing to refrain from military action against Iran before the end of the Bush presidency in January 2009, but could not promise Israel would not act unilaterally. In a bid to hold Israel’s hand, sources in Washington have been putting out semi-official comments that Israel is short of the intelligence and military capability for striking Iran without help.
2. Iran undertook to open the way for the US military to continue to go from strength to strength in fighting al Qaeda and the Sunni guerrilla insurgents in Iraq, to allow President Bush to claim his Iraq campaign had ended successfully before leaving the White House. DEBKAfile’s military sources report that Tehran ordered Iranian intelligence officers working undercover in Iraq to halt attacks on US troops by pro-Iranian militias, including Moqtada Sadr’s Mehdi Army. This has left US and Iraqi government force with free hands for large-scale operations against al Qaeda.
Iranian officers are also sharing useful intelligence on conditions in the field with American commanders.
3. In the background of the secret dialogue is the Bush administration’s ambition to help fellow-Republican Senator John McCain get elected to the White House. |
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misterno
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:26 pm Post subject: Re: Oil dips over secret US-IRAN deal on fuel pricing!!!! |
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| Who believes in a no-name website? |
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KevO
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: Oil dips over secret US-IRAN deal on fuel pricing!!!! |
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| misterno wrote: | | Who believes in a no-name website? |
not with you?
The Israeli's do: link
as do the Lebanese: link
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dorlomin
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:46 pm Post subject: Re: Oil dips over secret US-IRAN deal on fuel pricing!!!! |
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| misterno wrote: | | Who believes in a no-name website? |
Debka is very well known. It is staunchly pro Israeli and should always be read with that in mind, it can be hit and miss, but it definently can get scopes on the middle east situation.
It supposedly has close ties with Israeli intelligence (shin-bet and mossad). |
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startswithearthquakes
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: Oil dips over secret US-IRAN deal on fuel pricing!!!! |
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| dorlomin wrote: | | misterno wrote: | | Who believes in a no-name website? |
Debka is very well known. It is staunchly pro Israeli and should always be read with that in mind, it can be hit and miss, but it definently can get scopes on the middle east situation. It supposedly has close ties with Israeli intelligence (shin-bet and mossad). |
Indeed it does. This story should be watch closely. |
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Fishman
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:06 pm Post subject: Re: Oil dips over secret US-IRAN deal on fuel pricing!!!! |
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| I'm rolling on the floor laughing. After years here of q 3 month "we're going to attack Iran any moment" info like this comes out. |
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KevO
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:59 pm Post subject: Re: Oil dips over secret US-IRAN deal on fuel pricing!!!! |
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| Fishman wrote: | | I'm rolling on the floor laughing. After years here of q 3 month "we're going to attack Iran any moment" info like this comes out. |
I'm with you. We missed this one
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DantesPeak
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject: Re: Oil dips over secret US-IRAN deal on fuel pricing!!!! |
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So the best deal the US can get now is to not have the price of oil over $150 before election day, when only six months ago forecasters who foresaw oil at around $150 this year were thought to be by most as, well, bordering on insane?
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Hogan
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:57 pm Post subject: Re: Oil dips over secret US-IRAN deal on fuel pricing!!!! |
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| DantesPeak wrote: | | So the best deal the US can get now is to not have the price of oil over $150 before election day, when only six months ago forecasters who foresaw oil at around $150 this year were thought to be by most as, well, bordering on insane? |
Agreed DP. I think TPTB are doing all they can just to hold everything together until after the election. After that, all hell will break loose- accelerated stock market crash, huge oil and gasoline price increases, bank failures, etc. 2009-2010 is going to be bad. |
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KevO
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:29 am Post subject: Re: Oil dips over secret US-IRAN deal on fuel pricing!!!! |
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| Hogan wrote: | | Agreed DP. I think TPTB are doing all they can just to hold everything together until after the election. After that, all hell will break loose- accelerated stock market crash, huge oil and gasoline price increases, bank failures, etc. 2009-2010 is going to be bad. |
We have a 100% correct answer.
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patience
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:47 am Post subject: Re: Oil dips over secret US-IRAN deal on fuel pricing!!!! |
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Hogan, Is it possible to hold it together till elections? With Indymac going down for the count, and Lehman in deep trouble, GM teetering on the edge of bankruptcy, how long can the stock market stay up without financials and some others taking down?
Granted, TPTB will pull every old trick and invent some new ones to prop it all. My bet is on the end of the 3rd quarter being way more exciting than I would like, and the Fed's propping efforts causing enough $ devaluation to make oil go ballistic.
edit: I agree with you folks, just wondering about the timing.
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Ferretlover
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:56 am Post subject: Re: Oil dips over secret US-IRAN deal on fuel pricing!!!! |
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If this were true, somehow I suspect the President of Iran would be boasting about it.
With the US refusing to leave Iraq (a convienent staging area for attacking/invading Iran), the years of anti-Iran rants, the claim that the US has no control over what Isreal might do-was it March of last year, or the year before? (can't remember off the top of my head) all those news stories about Cheney trying to talk Isreal into attacking Iran...
Sooner or later, Iran IS going to get hit. Maybe it will be timed with polls showing that McCain is losing the race for POTUS. I've been thinking the attack will be sometime between Jul-Sep of this year.
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Atlantean_Relic
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:03 am Post subject: Re: Oil dips over secret US-IRAN deal on fuel pricing!!!! |
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| KevO wrote: | | Hogan wrote: | | Agreed DP. I think TPTB are doing all they can just to hold everything together until after the election. After that, all hell will break loose- accelerated stock market crash, huge oil and gasoline price increases, bank failures, etc. 2009-2010 is going to be bad. |
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Golgo13
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:46 pm Post subject: Re: Oil dips over secret US-IRAN deal on fuel pricing!!!! |
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Interesting article from the New Yorker that came out a day earlier:
Preparing the Battlefield
The Bush Administration steps up its secret moves against Iran. |
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alokin
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:11 pm Post subject: Re: Oil dips over secret US-IRAN deal on fuel pricing!!!! |
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patience, if they want to avoid the breakdown but that does not necessarily mean that they are able to and you think they can't.
Your other posts tell that you are really waiting for a breakdown of the US (and maybe the world economy) in some short month.
And then: one of the full blood Americans could me explain this abbreviation: TPTB (or are these 4letter word which cannot be written in polite English)? |
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