Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
"China is hungry - for land, food and energy. While accounting for a fifth of the world's population, its oil consumption has risen 35-fold in the past decade and Africa is now providing a third of it; imports of steel, copper and aluminium have also shot up, with Beijing devouring 80 per cent of world supplies. "
This article helps illustrate the Bush/Cheney strategy for the invasion. Politics, economics, intrigues and wheels within wheels. Bush is not the fool the media portrays him as. He is a peak oil believer, and I think Machiavellian in his desire to maintain American and Western hegemony. _________________ Viddy well, little brother. Viddy well.
Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:43 am Post subject: Re: Where would we be if we hadn’t gone into Iraq?
Saddam would still be in power .
The United states would still be somewhat respected in the world and not seen as a empire that wants to seize the resourses of outher nations through decite and force .
The cash being wasted in iraq could be being put to some use to hopefully slow/midigate the woefull decline of our economy .
Iran and Iraq would be FAR more concerned with each outher as advisarys than they would be the US .
A lot of good american soldgers would be alive insted of dead .
A lot of innocent Iraqi's would be alive .
More troops would have been avalible for deploy in afganistan "where our real enemy is" . So the taliban would be COMPLETELY crushed and theres a decent chance Osama bin laden would be captured or dead .
Joined: Aug 14, 2005 Posts: 398 Location: Mississippi Delta
Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 1:57 pm Post subject: Re: Where would we be if we hadn’t gone into Iraq?
Osama who? You mean the guy whose driver we're finally about to put on trial? _________________ Sarah Palin: Because what we really need right now is another inexperienced, inarticulate, personable, fundamentalist governor of an oil-dependent state for president.
Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:33 pm Post subject: Re: Where would we be if we hadn’t gone into Iraq?
of course we would be better off. there would be fewer families who have been torn apart by death and maiming, we would not have increased the national debt to astronomical heights and we would not be once again funding exxon, phillips, etc.
i personally believe the war was begun on neo-cons push. wolfowitz, undersectretary in state dept and his cronies truly believed it was manifest destiny of US to re-shape the middle east. the neo cons with the rove manipulation of the evangelical wing pushed and won and we went to war over a lie and most people know this. it is insanity to me that happened and no one stood in the way. the white house propaganda machine is great and powerful. and their ability to twist words into their nonsensical shape is amazing to have witnessed. i am saddened that so many people have been hurt and our economy has been devestated which will only hurt more of us.
dovey
Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: Where would we be if we hadn’t gone into Iraq?
Saddam had been selling oil field concessions and making development deals with the Europeans and Russians. He had already begun trading oil in Euros. The hyper-interested Chinese would not have been far behind.
Being shut out of Iraq and having the petrodollar system collapse would have been disastrous for the US.
So Uncle Sam broke a beer bottle over his own head, engineered a false-flag attack and nipped all that nonsense in the bud. Now the Americans are the ones making the oil deals. _________________ "May you live in interesting times"
Joined: Oct 06, 2006 Posts: 1371 Location: East Texas
Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:00 pm Post subject: Re: Where would we be if we hadn’t gone into Iraq?
BigTex wrote:
Iraq would be providing a check on Iran's military ambitions
Completely disagree with *that* assertion. Iraq was barely a check when we invaded; the infrastructure decline that was underway before hand would have continued apace, and sooner or later, it would have been clear that Iraq was no longer able to defend anything of importance that it held.
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Colin Powell would probably be the Republican nominee for President
Meh, you gotta WANT the job now days; "drafting" is only good in Hollywood movies. I'm not sure Powell ever really WANTED the job. _________________ Yes, we are. As we are.
And so shall we remain; Until the end.
"China is hungry - for land, food and energy. While accounting for a fifth of the world's population, its oil consumption has risen 35-fold in the past decade and Africa is now providing a third of it; imports of steel, copper and aluminium have also shot up, with Beijing devouring 80 per cent of world supplies. "
This article helps illustrate the Bush/Cheney strategy for the invasion. Politics, economics, intrigues and wheels within wheels. Bush is not the fool the media portrays him as. He is a peak oil believer, and I think Machiavellian in his desire to maintain American and Western hegemony.
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