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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:29 pm    Post subject: Oil will drop to $70 within 3 years' time: Kevin Petak Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

http://energytechstocks.com/wp/?p=1444

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Everyone has an oil price prediction nowadays, but few are made by analysts as knowledgeable as Kevin Petak of ICF International, a consulting company that specializes in energy policy and markets. Petak models where energy markets are headed next – and how soon they’ll get there.

Petak’s models are telling him oil prices will “correct” down to the $70-to-$80-a-barrel range, but not nearly soon enough for price-pressured consumers and countries. He told EnergyTechStocks.com that a “depressed” economy will eventually drive prices down...


He's basically talking about demand destruction here. And it's certainly possible.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Oil will drop to $70 within 3 years' time: Kevin Petak Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

if we ever see $70 again (which I highly doubt)due to demand destruction it will never be for long as supply decline will force the prices right upto where sustained demand destruction takes place, and that probably can only occur with an ever increasing price.

IOW I believe that Petak's models are outdated and are based, probably, on growing supply.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Oil will drop to $70 within 3 years' time: Kevin Petak Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

To get to $70 the global economy would have to be completely bankrupted. Let's not go there !

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Oil will drop to $70 within 3 years' time: Kevin Petak Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Isn't that just more of the same old wishful thinking? "[...] emphasizing that a “technological shift” powered by PHEVs would eventually start turning things around." I'll believe in that technological shift the day I see it.

Other than that, well...he might be right but if oil hits 70$ because the economy is "depressed" we're probably talking about a depression so huge that 70$ oil won't make anyone happy anyway.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 3:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Oil will drop to $70 within 3 years' time: Kevin Petak Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I don't know much about him but he completely missed the rise in natural gas prices this year, based upon another energy tech stocks report from 2007.

http://energytechstocks.com/wp/?p=570
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 4:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Oil will drop to $70 within 3 years' time: Kevin Petak Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Heck no. Oil will drop to $70 preceded by Indian and Chinese consumption dropping even though the growth programme currently underway in those countries has barely started, and pigs will fly.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 4:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Oil will drop to $70 within 3 years' time: Kevin Petak Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Is Mr. Petak aware that the U.S. uses a fiat currency system, and that Mr. Bernanke has promised to use the printing press, or its modern electronic equivalent, to fight any slowdown in "growth"?
If a commentator throws out a statement like that without at least dealing with the fiat currency issue, then I think the commentator is doing a disservice.
The long-term trendline for oil is actually in the 70-80 range, so it wouldn't surprise me to see it touch the trendline again, but I doubt it will. Too many people aware of peak oil now and too hard to hide the obvious depletion.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Oil will drop to $70 within 3 years' time: Kevin Petak Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

If I was Mr Petaks employer, I would randomly pick him for a urinalysis immedietly.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Oil will drop to $70 within 3 years' time: Kevin Petak Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

zberry wrote:
Is Mr. Petak aware that the U.S. uses a fiat currency system, and that Mr. Bernanke has promised to use the printing press, or its modern electronic equivalent, to fight any slowdown in "growth"?
If a commentator throws out a statement like that without at least dealing with the fiat currency issue, then I think the commentator is doing a disservice.
The long-term trendline for oil is actually in the 70-80 range, so it wouldn't surprise me to see it touch the trendline again, but I doubt it will. Too many people aware of peak oil now and too hard to hide the obvious depletion.


What kind of trend line are you using?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Oil will drop to $70 within 3 years' time: Kevin Petak Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Good, good.

The "oil price will fall to $70" people are coming out of the woodwork. The turnaround will be swift, and violent, just as these calls reach a crescendo.

Remember when it hit $100 and the calls were for $50?
Their business model works this way :

1. divide the current record-setting price by two
2. issue press release or give a speech

When it hits $200, these people will be calling for oil to fall to $100 Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Oil will drop to $70 within 3 years' time: Kevin Petak Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Peleg wrote:
zberry wrote:
Is Mr. Petak aware that the U.S. uses a fiat currency system, and that Mr. Bernanke has promised to use the printing press, or its modern electronic equivalent, to fight any slowdown in "growth"?
If a commentator throws out a statement like that without at least dealing with the fiat currency issue, then I think the commentator is doing a disservice.
The long-term trendline for oil is actually in the 70-80 range, so it wouldn't surprise me to see it touch the trendline again, but I doubt it will. Too many people aware of peak oil now and too hard to hide the obvious depletion.


What kind of trend line are you using?
The only 'trendline' I see is straight up. Wasn't oil $9.89/barrel ten short years ago? When did it ever 'trend' at $70-80?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Oil will drop to $70 within 3 years' time: Kevin Petak Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I don't know if this has been posted yet but I haven't seen it on here. This guy is working on pond scum becoming the next oil.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/tech/2008/06/10/obrien.algae.oil.cnn

In the video he says that with the land size of 1/10 of New Mexico, we could supply the whole US with all the oil it needs.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Oil will drop to $70 within 3 years' time: Kevin Petak Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

If U think subsidizing Freddie Kreugermac stock is going to wipe U out, imagine how many shares of Chevron stock your government would make you buy if there was an oil collapse.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Oil will drop to $70 within 3 years' time: Kevin Petak Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Brickhead wrote:
I don't know if this has been posted yet but I haven't seen it on here. This guy is working on pond scum becoming the next oil.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/tech/2008/06/10/obrien.algae.oil.cnn

In the video he says that with the land size of 1/10 of New Mexico, we could supply the whole US with all the oil it needs.
What does this have to do with oil-price trendlines?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Oil will drop to $70 within 3 years' time: Kevin Petak Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

A different way to produce oil, could mean a different commodity to buy. And the oil that's already in the ground might not be worth what it is now. Or this oil from pond scum gets grouped in with the oil in the ground and the price goes down because supply can keep up with demand.
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