How then, do we move backwards? How does a society, with most of the people having no clue of future events, move from being dependent on a vast and intertwined network of goods and services produced by the indigenous people of whereever, to a local resource and renewable energy based society, and do so in the timeframe available (20-30 years using the most liberal extimates, 10-20 with resonable estimates, 5-10 with worst case scenarios), all the while prices on everything increasing, world politics getting more militaristic, governments continuously reducing civil liberties, shortages of goods on the market and weather patterns resembling bad Hollywood movies?
Reports from Russia’s Foreign Ministry are confirming today that US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, in an ‘unexpected’ phone call to Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, has detailed the outline of a new ‘secret pact’ between the United States and Iran.
Reports on the secret negotiations between the US and Iran were first reported by Israel’s DEBKAfile News Service and as we can read in their follow-up report titled "High US official to attend nuclear talks with Iran, capping secret US-Tehran diplomacy", and which says:
"The announcement that US Under Secretary of State William Burns will join the meeting the European Union’s Javier Solana holds with Iranian nuclear negotiator Saeed Jalili in Geneva this week makes official the secret diplomatic track afoot between Washington and Tehran, which was first disclosed by DEBKA-Net-Weekly on June 27.
Our US sources confirm that this step distances the Bush administration still further from Israel’s policy position, which calls for the curtailment of Iran’s drive for a nuclear bomb by all means, including military action. It leaves Jerusalem alone in the arena against Iran on the nuclear and other security issues, such as Hizballah, Syria and the radicalized Lebanese government."
Britain’s Independent News Service is further reporting on this fast breaking news that: "Moving to avoid war in Iran in the final months of his administration, George Bush has approved the highest-level American diplomatic contact with its ideological enemy since the humiliating US embassy hostage crisis of 1979.
Shifting from bellicose threats to diplomacy, Mr Bush is sending an envoy to talks this weekend aimed at curbing Iran's nuclear ambitions. The rapprochement includes plans by the US to post diplomats in Tehran for the first time since the Islamic revolution in the form of a US interests section – a move halfway to setting up an embassy – subject to approval by the Iranian President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad."
Russian Military Analysts state in these reports that the US has been driven to rapprochement with the Iranians due to the escalating violence in Afghanistan, and which they believe, as do Western Analysts, that a nuclear armed Pakistan will soon join this conflict against US led NATO Forces.
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icance, however, to these latest moves by the US on the chessboard of the World, in a modern day continuation of the “Great Game”, is a further confirmation that the Americans are in the midst of a rapid redeployment of forces which will see them leave the volatile Middle East to concentrate their military might against South America, and which we had previously reported on in our July 11th report “US Turns ‘War Sights’ Towards South American As Saudi Arabia-Mexican Oil Output Plummets”.
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 5:18 am Post subject: Re: US Confirms To Russia Secret Pact With Iran
Not too familiar with quality of articles in the Debka file but that second link point to a site with articles by pseudonym Sorcha Faal, a highly dubius character that hasn't shown to be right about much so far. _________________ Lets take a ride, and run with the dogs tonight
In suburbia
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In suburbia
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:06 am Post subject: Re: US Confirms To Russia Secret Pact With Iran
how is it a secret now when there is a news story about it though? _________________ "if god doesn't exist, it is necessary that we invent him" - Voltaire
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:28 am Post subject: Re: US Confirms To Russia Secret Pact With Iran
I don't know why the hype about some 'secret' diplomatic foot work, but in answer to your question Kevo, yes, we are most definately being had.
There's just too much bluster and fakery about the US position and the Israeli's chiming in and the Iranians answering back. It's all very naah-na-na-naah-na childish. Since the BBC, The Guardian, and Haaretz have all published stories about Mr Burns attending the 'negotiations' it can hardly be called 'secret'. We just don't know in what capacity he's attending: i.e sitting in a seperate room and being briefed, as a US official representative, or just prodding the Europeans to take a hard line.
I know a young Sunni Muslim convert, he claims to be Iranian and a convert from Shi'ism, and he has a bizarre twisted theory that the US and Iran are actually in bed together along with Israel. It's really too bizarro to get into, and obviously his previous life as a Shia kind of taints his view and a deep seated hatred for his own countrymen kind of rules out taking him seriously. But what the hey, in the long run, as things are going right now, he has a point: despite all the sabre rattling (it's been going on for a few years under various US administrations), secretly the US is working to support Iran's designs on Iraq ...... Jeez, as I write this I realise how demented this poor boy is! But still, the news we're being fed is just as complex and obfuscating everything nicely.
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:41 am Post subject: Re: US Confirms To Russia Secret Pact With Iran
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Debka has been criticized as a fringe outfit catering to conspiracy theorists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debka.com _________________ Peak oil is sort of like a mental Everlasting Gobstopper, except it tastes like ass and you can't get it out of your mouth.
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:50 am Post subject: Re: US Confirms To Russia Secret Pact With Iran
This is about as silly as the highschool teen pregnancy pact in the NE US.
joeltrout _________________ ENERGY is the basis of our industrial civilization and sustains our standard of living. It is the foundation stone of our national wealth. A nation starved of energy.....will be a nation of starving people.
Joined: Aug 23, 2004 Posts: 324 Location: New Zealand
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: US Confirms To Russia Secret Pact With Iran
virgincrude wrote:
I don't know why the hype about some 'secret' diplomatic foot work, but in answer to your question Kevo, yes, we are most definately being had.
There's just too much bluster and fakery about the US position and the Israeli's chiming in and the Iranians answering back. It's all very naah-na-na-naah-na childish. Since the BBC, The Guardian, and Haaretz have all published stories about Mr Burns attending the 'negotiations' it can hardly be called 'secret'. We just don't know in what capacity he's attending: i.e sitting in a seperate room and being briefed, as a US official representative, or just prodding the Europeans to take a hard line.
I know a young Sunni Muslim convert, he claims to be Iranian and a convert from Shi'ism, and he has a bizarre twisted theory that the US and Iran are actually in bed together along with Israel. It's really too bizarro to get into, and obviously his previous life as a Shia kind of taints his view and a deep seated hatred for his own countrymen kind of rules out taking him seriously. But what the hey, in the long run, as things are going right now, he has a point: despite all the sabre rattling (it's been going on for a few years under various US administrations), secretly the US is working to support Iran's designs on Iraq ...... Jeez, as I write this I realise how demented this poor boy is! But still, the news we're being fed is just as complex and obfuscating everything nicely.
Joined: Apr 17, 2005 Posts: 2663 Location: Vancouver Island
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:23 pm Post subject: Re: US Confirms To Russia Secret Pact With Iran
A pact with Iran is nothing compared to Pakistan turning on the US. Should Pakistan turn on the US you have an open declaration of war between two nuclear powers. It should end messily. _________________ shame on us, doomed from the start
god have mercy on our dirty little hearts
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