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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:42 pm    Post subject: US electrical infrastructure near breaking point Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

US electrical infrastructure near breaking point

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Experts said this week that the infrastructure that provides electricity to homes and businesses throughout the country is nearing the breaking point because of increased energy demands

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That's part of the nation's grim electrical picture according to industry and homeland security experts who gathered Wednesday at a forum in Shepherdstown to discuss the need for an improved electric transmission infrastructure system in West Virginia and the Mid-Atlantic region.

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"The fact is that the United States has a growing appetite for electricity, and we've done very little about that for several decades ..." Larcamp said. "I don't want to be an alarmist here, but the window within which we can act to maintain reliable power supplies is getting to be tighter and tighter."

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William Brier, vice president of policy and public affairs for EEI, said people have to understand that the nation is not just facing a gasoline crisis, but a full-fledged energy crisis.

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Many of the uses of electricity, particularly in the home, didn't exist 30, 20 or even 10 years ago, he said. The average home today uses 60 percent more electricity than three decades ago. Just two standard cable set top boxes, for example, use the same amount of electricity as a refrigerator.

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"The biggest issue that we face in addition to trying to build this infrastructure is the rising cost of doing it," Brier said.

The same power plant built in 2000 would cost twice as much if it's built in 2008, he added, and the increased costs will ultimately have to be absorbed by consumers.

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I wonder how already financially strained Americans will be able to pay even higher electric bills if new power plants are built.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:58 pm    Post subject: Re: US electrical infrastructure near breaking point Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Too bad the economic stimulus package did not address this issue, 150 billion could have gone a long way in upgrading and maintaining our electrical grid.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:04 pm    Post subject: Re: US electrical infrastructure near breaking point Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

All those electric cars!! They will be contributing to the demise of civilization!! Let's hear it for the cornies!! Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:11 pm    Post subject: Re: US electrical infrastructure near breaking point Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Yep - best get your wind generators up and panels bolted down.. Its gonna be a wild ride ahead of us.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:28 pm    Post subject: Re: US electrical infrastructure near breaking point Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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All those electric cars!! They will be contributing to the demise of civilization!! Let's hear it for the cornies!! Laughing

Yeah, that's one fact techno-cornucopians conveniently ignore.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:39 pm    Post subject: Re: US electrical infrastructure near breaking point Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

20 years of, averaging 2.2% annual growth in demand will do that to you. Double the population growth. 55% more power drawn than in 1988. Added demand about the size of a Missouri or a New Jersey every year.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:44 pm    Post subject: Re: US electrical infrastructure near breaking point Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Hogan wrote:
HEADER_RACK wrote:
All those electric cars!! They will be contributing to the demise of civilization!! Let's hear it for the cornies!! Laughing
Yeah, that's one fact techno-cornucopians conveniently ignore.

No, no, no. . . they all get charged up at night when demand is low and . . . and. . . . and then we all drive our 43 miles and. . .and. . .
cripes are we farked!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:15 pm    Post subject: Re: US electrical infrastructure near breaking point Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

The son of our local electrical co-op board member told me to expect KWHR price to double in a couple years, due to new plant construction. If we get a carbon tax, Indiana coal-generated power will be costly indeed. Thus my solar system, and lots of usage cutbacks.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:19 pm    Post subject: Re: US electrical infrastructure near breaking point Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

What about those nuke plants? The McCain Nuke Initiative? Have they started building those yet? How many are completed?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:36 pm    Post subject: Re: US electrical infrastructure near breaking point Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I heard Edward Teller tell me in 1966 we were going to have fusion by 1975. What happened!?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:37 pm    Post subject: Re: US electrical infrastructure near breaking point Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

frankthetank wrote:
What about those nuke plants? The McCain Nuke Initiative? Have they started building those yet? How many are completed?
The NRC has accepted applications on 13 units at 8 locations in the last year, and are anticipating a total of at least thirty unit-applications in the next year-and-a-half. Since there hadn't been any applications for decades, that's right impressive. Sadly, the 8 applications already filed include four different reactor types, with others in review. Standardization? Not in this country!
McCain's "45 new plants" speech seems pretty weak when 30 of them are already in the pipeline.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:20 am    Post subject: Re: US electrical infrastructure near breaking point Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

oh nooozz!!!1 Doom DOO00M DoOooOOMMm
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:52 am    Post subject: Re: US electrical infrastructure near breaking point Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

startswithearthquakes wrote:
oh nooozz!!!1 Doom DOO00M DoOooOOMMm
That's right. Don't listen to what the industry analysts and experts are saying. Just turn your brain back off and go back to watching television. Everything is going to be just fine...

What is it with all these newbie trolls lately, anyways? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:34 am    Post subject: Re: US electrical infrastructure near breaking point Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

frankthetank wrote:
What about those nuke plants? The McCain Nuke Initiative? Have they started building those yet? How many are completed?

The McCain plan == 45 nuclear plants
however....
People tend to forget we have 104 nuclear power reactors currently in operation and MOST of them are near the end of their "service life".

We need to build a hundred nuclear power reactors just to stay even.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:48 am    Post subject: Re: US electrical infrastructure near breaking point Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Perhaps as in the UK, there is no direct comparison between an old and new nuclear power plant due to the greatly increased size of the new ones? It is possible that what has been proposed would allow the US to "stay even".

The grid issue is very real though, and the last thing we need is to scale mass-ownership of mains-charged electric cars into this environment.
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