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How do kiwis feel about NZ becoming a PO 'lifeboat' nation?

 
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:23 pm    Post subject: How do kiwis feel about NZ becoming a PO 'lifeboat' nation? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Increasing numbers of Americans, Europeans, Brits and others seem to be taking an interest in migrating to NZ due to the perception that we'd do better than most in a peak oil world. How do people feel about this? Personally I'm not too concerned as long as it doesn't force property prices up too much. I'd be happy to live in a valley with a bunch of aging American hippies and PO savvy Brits - they'd make good neigbours I reckon.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:38 pm    Post subject: Re: How do kiwis feel about NZ becoming a PO 'lifeboat' nati Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

kiwiduncan wrote:
Increasing numbers of Americans, Europeans, Brits and others seem to be taking an interest in migrating to NZ due to the perception that we'd do better than most in a peak oil world. How do people feel about this? Personally I'm not too concerned as long as it doesn't force property prices up too much. I'd be happy to live in a valley with a bunch of aging American hippies and PO savvy Brits - they'd make good neigbours I reckon.


Not a kiwi but I thought I'd chip in before the "NZ is doomed" folk come along! Smile

V nice idea, but the NZ government don't make it that easy; even if you have some money, qualifications & are happy to toil. Tch.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:51 pm    Post subject: Re: How do kiwis feel about NZ becoming a PO 'lifeboat' nati Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Aukland had notoriously high unemployment & low income in 2000. Times have changed for the moment.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:34 pm    Post subject: Re: How do kiwis feel about NZ becoming a PO 'lifeboat' nati Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

We'll send as many as you can fit . . .

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:20 pm    Post subject: Re: How do kiwis feel about NZ becoming a PO 'lifeboat' nati Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Ageing hippies breed tomorrows consumers. The less the better...fewer malls etc. So I vote No!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:32 pm    Post subject: Re: How do kiwis feel about NZ becoming a PO 'lifeboat' nati Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

americandream wrote:
Ageing hippies breed tomorrows consumers. The less the better...fewer malls etc. So I vote No!


I agree that the big box shopping centres, malls and suburban Noddyland of modern New Zealand are pretty grim (prime example, Wellington's Churton CarPark), but that's come about due to dumb greedy kiwis swallowing the consumerist American Dream without any question. The aging American hippies who I'd welcome to NZ are the ones who have already questioned, and rejected that model. Besides, if they're 60+ they might not be all that interested in breeding anyway. =)
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:38 pm    Post subject: Re: How do kiwis feel about NZ becoming a PO 'lifeboat' nati Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

The Obama Administration will propose a plan to load cruise ships packed to the gills with inner-city welfare recipients and "relocate" them to the island of New Zealand, thereby solving one of America's fiscal problems Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:02 am    Post subject: Re: How do kiwis feel about NZ becoming a PO 'lifeboat' nati Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Cornucopians are alive and well in NZ - look at what they plan to do to Palmerston North. The Council is risking the city's water supply, last remaining native forest and the goodwill of its citizens to build a wind farm ( There are three wind farms built already and another just recently approved.)
www.palmerston-north.info

People are fighting these developments all over the country. Looks like we need a bit more balanced perspective here. The supply lines for these giant turbines is 12,000 miles long. One wonders how they can be maintained in the future ? Solar water heating seems a better option but there are no carbon credits / off sets with those.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:55 am    Post subject: Re: How do kiwis feel about NZ becoming a PO 'lifeboat' nati Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I'm more than happy for more resourceful, PO-aware people to come here, provided that we can jettison some our useless flotsam in return. I'll trade Richard Heinberg for Trevor Mallard.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:21 am    Post subject: Re: How do kiwis feel about NZ becoming a PO 'lifeboat' nati Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

We will know that the end is near when all the Kiwi's living in Bondi start heading back to NZ.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:13 am    Post subject: Re: How do kiwis feel about NZ becoming a PO 'lifeboat' nati Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I have no intention of moving down under. How would I be any better off there than here?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:41 pm    Post subject: Re: How do kiwis feel about NZ becoming a PO 'lifeboat' nati Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Kingcoal wrote:
I have no intention of moving down under. How would I be any better off there than here?


I went to Pennsylvannia a few years ago. It was pretty nice.

You probably are better off there, especially if you've got a decent job and don't want to move away from friends and family. I noticed that US property actually seems to be cheaper than the New Zealand equivalent too.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:39 pm    Post subject: Re: How do kiwis feel about NZ becoming a PO 'lifeboat' nati Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

kiwiduncan wrote:
Kingcoal wrote:
I have no intention of moving down under. How would I be any better off there than here?


I went to Pennsylvannia a few years ago. It was pretty nice.

You probably are better off there, especially if you've got a decent job and don't want to move away from friends and family. I noticed that US property actually seems to be cheaper than the New Zealand equivalent too.


Thanks, I like it. I've been all over the country for work and I always look forward to coming home. Never been to NZ, though. I had a job opportunity to go to Australia for six months this year, but turned it down for family reasons. Oh to be young and free again.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:44 pm    Post subject: Re: How do kiwis feel about NZ becoming a PO 'lifeboat' nati Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Well, how about Aussies moving to NZ? We're facing more extreme weather in the future due to global warming, but nothing compared to the droughts and desertification of Australia. I've occasionally read about Aussies planning to move to NZ's literally greener pastures. We might even let you share our sheep.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 2:05 pm    Post subject: Re: How do kiwis feel about NZ becoming a PO 'lifeboat' nati Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I dont fancy living in Auz or NZ, as being "Upside down" I think the blood rushing to my head would make me ill !!

Honestly though, in the coming years I think there will be no "lifeboat" nations. Were all in it together, (the shyte, that is). Some places better than others, true, but no utopia nation. We are on the planet Titanic, iceberg dead ahead (the last unmelted one !!). Lifeboats for first class only. (the monied).

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