Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:32 am Post subject: Re: How many children do you have?
GeneralGreen wrote:
I live in Ukraine and get laid allot and have lots of unprotected sex
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:32 am Post subject: Re: How many children do you have?
VMarcHart wrote:
MrBean wrote:
Even in your country there are intentional communities learning self-sustainable permaculture and organic way of life, leaving footprints worth tracking and following.
Here in the U.S., the moment the child is born in a hospital, there's already a massive footprint behind the construction, operation and maintenance of the hospital, education of staff, treatment of the mother, etc, etc. That's just at birth. The moment that new born is driven home ... well, you know where I'm getting here. Organic permaculture is indeed the greatest thing since sliced bread, but the tip of the iceberg where zero footprint is considered.
Yes I know where you're getting, with blinders: to a dead end. Is there a law against giving birth "the old way" in the home of the community instead in a hospital, and what if there would be such a law? Or what is wrong about giving birth in a hospital as long as they are available, to begin with?
If the current way of life is not sustainable, why not start gradually learn how to live sustainably, to the best of ones abilities? It is very unlikely that humans face total extinction in the foreseeable future, so why not start planting the seeds of a future of sustainable way of living with the everyday choises we make - gradually, to the best of our abilities and not demanding from ourselves what is impossible or too overbearing in a given situation? What ELSE can we do, really, to live content instead of loathing oneself and spreading only bad mood around?
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:47 am Post subject: Re: How many children do you have?
MrBean wrote:
Is there a law against giving birth "the old way" in the home of the community instead in a hospital, and what if there would be such a law? Or what is wrong about giving birth in a hospital as long as they are available, to begin with?
For the 1st question, I truly don't know. I'm out of my league; I'm not a parent. But I don't think so, although many will cry child endangerement, but there is no danger in putting one more child in a unsustainable world. Go figure! For the 2nd, I don't see no problem with using hospitals --that's what they're for. It's just that they come with a footprint.
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:09 am Post subject: Re: How many children do you have?
VMarcHart wrote:
MrBean wrote:
Is there a law against giving birth "the old way" in the home of the community instead in a hospital, and what if there would be such a law? Or what is wrong about giving birth in a hospital as long as they are available, to begin with?
For the 1st question, I truly don't know. I'm out of my league; I'm not a parent. But I don't think so, although many will cry child endangerement, but there is no danger in putting one more child in a unsustainable world. Go figure! For the 2nd, I don't see no problem with using hospitals --that's what they're for. It's just that they come with a footprint.
To bo honest, as a male I'm also sort of out of my league.
But to other things, how can world be unsustainable? World views certainly can be unsustainable (e.g. the current Euro-American world-view or any "civilized" aka imperialistic world view) and no doubt also a world view based on zero children policy would produce unsustainable human communities...
Isn't the vital question, rather than the exact number of children allowable etc. calculative control freakery, what kinds of world views do we pass to our children?
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:18 am Post subject: Re: How many children do you have?
MrBean wrote:
Isn't the vital question, rather than the exact number of children allowable etc. calculative control freakery, what kinds of world views do we pass to our children?
Right on the money! Right now, the world and the legacy we're passing to our children --although I will not have children-- is very unfair to them.
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:56 am Post subject: Re: How many children do you have?
GeneralGreen wrote:
I have 3 kids with 2 differnt women and 1 more on the way to anouther women!
I live in Ukraine and get laid allot and have lots of unprotected sex...which already gave me 2 kids unwanted...
Ohh well post peak oil kids will help us men...I plan to have about 4-7 more kids...I'm 33
I am a historian and in famine large families did OK ..small families starved...
I want daughters esp because they help more then males..esp in garden work.
BTW I am poverty level USA. I make 1,000 USD a month here and pay 200 USD in child support " willingly" no bitch has taken me to court becasue women are more femine here. I can't stand modern Western women..puke....I figure 100 bucks a month is enough to support a child...BTW I am married still to the wife who gave me 2 kids...and 2 other kids to anouther women...she is 25 and pretty hot by western standards.
I'm still making love to the wife my lover and a few other women....so what...I am enjoying the oil age!!
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: How many children do you have?
VMarcHart wrote:
MrBean wrote:
Isn't the vital question, rather than the exact number of children allowable etc. calculative control freakery, what kinds of world views do we pass to our children?
Right on the money! Right now, the world and the legacy we're passing to our children --although I will not have children-- is very unfair to them.
As they say "it takes a village". So allthough undeniably parenthood has great potential of forcing some deep existential questions on parents that migh have better chances of escaping them without the burden of parenthood, no member of human community is - or should not be - exempt from the responsibility of raising our future generations - no matter what possessive-overly individualistic parents would like to lead you to believe. It takes a village and this responsibility is shared by all of us.
But hey, I'm just a culturally conditioned bigot and chauvinist against Europeans that have been colonizing, oppressing and assimilating us into their wicked ways for hundreds of years. Yet I'm talking here, mostly nicely and kindly. Point being, only European subject would take cultural attack as an ad hominem - latin for "agains human" - in their folly of seeing humans as mere subject-persons (the really degrading ad hominem attack).
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 1:23 pm Post subject: Re: How many children do you have?
MrBean wrote:
It takes a village and this responsibility is shared by all of us.
Totally agreed. I do my part, sometimes more than I should, and I try to stop right at the point of allienating my friends and relatives. Hence why I said yes to the whether or not educate the sheeple on another thread. Not educating others is lack of ownership and responsibility of the problem.
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 1:32 pm Post subject: Re: How many children do you have?
MrBean wrote:
But hey, I'm just a culturally conditioned bigot and chauvinist against Europeans that have been colonizing, oppressing and assimilating us into their wicked ways for hundreds of years. Yet I'm talking here, mostly nicely and kindly. Point being, only European subject would take cultural attack as an ad hominem - latin for "agains human" - in their folly of seeing humans as mere subject-persons (the really degrading ad hominem attack).
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 1:36 pm Post subject: Re: How many children do you have?
Jack wrote:
Maintain civility.
This might be important. The word for civil and civilization in Latin-English bears the etymological notion of 'civis' - "citizenship" - participation in a state-machine. Where as the closely homonymic word "sivistys" ('civil', 'civility') in my language is of different etymological origin, namely from "sivea" - meaning 'prudent' etc.
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 1:49 pm Post subject: Re: How many children do you have?
Jack wrote:
You would be wise to review the COC carefully.
Here is even more important question (and sorry for the OT): any and all guides for conduct in net communities tend to be based on certain (indo)european metaphysics of subject-individuals and their inviolable personal boundaries ("ad hominem" interpreted as do not insult any form of egomania instead of do not insult humanity) - notions that are culturally and linguistically dependent but for some "strange" reason presented as universals in most if not all net communities.
But here we are, discussing in this lingua franca of today that history and cultural imperialism has forced upon all of us, problems that deeply affect us all regardless of our cultural heritage and linguistic conditioning. The question being, should and if why, culturally relativistic (regardless of the claims for universalism) metaphysics of subject-object dichotomy ingrained in English syntax accepted as limits on how other languages and experiences talk (even in translation into English), especially when speaking about the collapse of (indoeuropean wannabe universal) civilization and the underlying reasons of the collapse.
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:40 am Post subject: Re: How many children do you have?
JustaGirl wrote:
GeneralGreen wrote:
I have 3 kids with 2 differnt women and 1 more on the way to anouther women!
I live in Ukraine and get laid allot and have lots of unprotected sex...which already gave me 2 kids unwanted...
Ohh well post peak oil kids will help us men...I plan to have about 4-7 more kids...I'm 33
I am a historian and in famine large families did OK ..small families starved...
I want daughters esp because they help more then males..esp in garden work.
BTW I am poverty level USA. I make 1,000 USD a month here and pay 200 USD in child support " willingly" no bitch has taken me to court becasue women are more femine here. I can't stand modern Western women..puke....I figure 100 bucks a month is enough to support a child...BTW I am married still to the wife who gave me 2 kids...and 2 other kids to anouther women...she is 25 and pretty hot by western standards.
I'm still making love to the wife my lover and a few other women....so what...I am enjoying the oil age!!
I really hope you're joking?!?
Of coarse I am joking..Seriously I only 1 child, and one women ..I was just wanting to see some of the responses.
I do hope to have one or maybe two more children.
Cheers>
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