Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Joined: Jun 15, 2007 Posts: 593 Location: St.Albert, AB
Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:07 pm Post subject: For Norwegians
So I'm a Canadian citizen currently travelling through Germany. I'll be going up to Denmark and Norway within the next little while and I have been researching work permits in Norway for the past few months.
I'd just like to know if anyone can give me any helpful information in regard to applying for work WITHIN Norway. I believe I'll find a job with my friend near Stavanger and get the company to apply for the work permit on my behalf. Then I can work under the table to generate some income until my permit is accepted and I can begin work at the 'X' job.
Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:42 am Post subject: Re: For Norwegians
I'm not sure I understand exactly what kind of information you're after, since you say you've already researched this for a while, but here's a start if you haven't read it yet:
UDI - work and residence
Joined: Jun 15, 2007 Posts: 593 Location: St.Albert, AB
Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 2:43 pm Post subject: Re: For Norwegians
So I'll explain the entire situation and then you can give me some recommendations from there.
So about 6 months ago I met a fellow through a Hubbert Curve facebook group and we discussed about peak oil, the finacial crisis etc. He commended that I come to Norway since he felt and still feels that Norway will be a very safe place to be in the near and long term future.
At the time I was fairly apprehensive and felt that I would best be suited to find myself a nice little ecovillage and go from there. So I visited an ecovillage in Quebec and it was nice but not exactly what I'm looking for. Some people are peak oil prepared and others are very attached to our modern lifestyle, dispite living within a hippy community.
So I came to Munich and have been visiting Germany for the last little while and soon I will be heading north to visit Denmark and Norway. My Norwegian friend lives near Stavagner and has offered me room and board until I can find an apartment which is just unbelievably nice but the biggest problem for me is still the work permit. I'm 19 years old and do not have a formal degree so I think I will have to find a construction company in the area which would be willing to hire me and apply for the work permit on my behalf. If you apply for the work permit yourself (or so I've heard) the process can take an endless amount of time, BUT, if the business applies for it on your behalf the process is much more accelerated. What does this mean, 2 months or 6 months of waiting, I'm not quite sure.
So I have some options.
I would like to go to Norway with no less than 6,500 Canadian dollars to get myself started. This means keeping my spending down for the next several weeks but I could avoid costs all together and simply fly from Berlin to Bergen and take the bus down. At the same time, I have relatives in Denmark who are expecting me to visit and if I don't show up they might be a little pissed.
Plan A)
Continue my trip through Germany, visit my relatives in Denmark and take the train from Copenhagen to Stavagner. Find a company who would be willing to hire me and apply for a work permit on my behalf. In the mean time I would get a small job doing dishes or working at a bakery for a little bit of cash (working under the table) to keep myself at least at an equal level of expenses to income until the work permit goes through. Since I will have spent time in Denmark I will likely have less money....maybe something around 6,000 CDN or 30,000 krones (ish)
B) Visit my friends in Berlin (this is costing me very little money) and take a plane to Oslo and then to Stavagner. Find a business to apply for a work permit on my behalf and then take the train back to Denmark while the permit is going through and visit with relatives. Return back to Norway and find a job under the table along with an apartment and a hot Norwegian girlfriend and spend the rest of my days eating herring and dressing up in Viking costumes etc.
Your thoughts?
In simple form, do I go to Norway first, get permits sorted out and then leave again or do I finish my trip and get settled in Norway?
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:40 am Post subject: Re: For Norwegians
Not sure why you would have to leave as long as you don't outstay
the tourist visa/permission..
One thing you should be aware of is that the construction sector is in bad shape, has already started downsizing.
my brother in law went bust with one firm, now working for another (very good at getting customers) but they all say that nobody earns any money in this sector now, customers have already too much debt and do not pay ..
many firms are in a fix with unfinished properties they cannot sell
etc.
But there are still other possibilities --make your move fast before the financial crisis really hits the economy, as it will in Norway too
Joined: Jun 15, 2007 Posts: 593 Location: St.Albert, AB
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:07 am Post subject: Re: For Norwegians
Ill be near Stavanger so the economy should be quite strong. Its a natural gas hub so I doubt that things will slow down any time soon. Ill be taking the train from Hanstholm to Haugsund in just a couple weeks. Cant wait to see the country...Ive heard great things.
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:34 pm Post subject: Re: For Norwegians
It is expensive but as always that depends.
If you don't eat out too much (if you can avoid that) and have people who can help you out it's not so bad.
your project could work --it's worth a try. It's true Stavanger has been growing even as the construction sector has come to a halt in most other places but if the bank crisis gets worse that will change.
Joined: Jun 15, 2007 Posts: 593 Location: St.Albert, AB
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:17 pm Post subject: Re: For Norwegians
Well, we will just have to see. If worse comes to worse I can always work under the table. Ill be staying with a friend of mine until I find an appartment. Ive sent off the resume and cover letter to 3 of the biggest construction companies near Stavanger.
I have 3 options basically.
I can work in Norway, go through the visa issues etc. and stay in Karmoy. I will cling onto my job and hope it lasts, theres always a job as a fisherman. Ill have to rent an appartment, no house...no debt. Maybe stock some food away with my friend.
I can work at an ecovillage in Denmark. Attached to mainland Europe. Large population density, very flat country. Likely easy to get a work permit for the ecovillage (they technically employ you and are taxed as a business). Decent food supply and a strong community.
Go back to northern Quebec and try to find a side job, rent a small appartment as well. Poor growing season, very limited amount of work. Likely around 20 grande to get the land and house started up (land is fairly cheap). The community isnt quite an ecovillage since it is very individualistic. Hard to say if people would just get up and leave...being the only one in this part of the world would be very difficult and lonely.
Hard to choose....Denmark gives me some hope since the ecovillage is very communistic and therefore has a good financial cushion for the entire group. Good teamwork, well established etc.
But its within 200km of Copenhagen...
Joined: Sep 16, 2004 Posts: 4925 Location: Southwest WI
Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:09 am Post subject: Re: For Norwegians
One thing i've always found out in life is things sound a LOT better on paper then they usually do in real life. You can always go back to Canada at some point...At least you get to travel and see Europe.
Canada should be better off then some of those Nordic countries with its low population, huge amount of land and resources up the wazoo. _________________ Clothing should be optional.
Joined: Jun 15, 2007 Posts: 593 Location: St.Albert, AB
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:47 am Post subject: Re: For Norwegians
Frank -
I agree, things sound better on paper but I cant agree about Canadas situation. Shitty growing climate, horrendous trade deals with the US, 90% of our goods being connected to the US....plus, where will all those Americans go when things get bad...Mexico?
Ill need to visit Svanholm and Stavanger but Im not optimistic about moving back to Shitmonton.
With almost 10 years of economic success, Alberta has saved $17 billion dollars....this savings fund started almost 25 years ago. Google Alberta Herritage Fund to find out. Norway is expected to hit around $900 billion in the next few years.
Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:40 pm Post subject: Re: For Norwegians
Nicholai wrote:
I'd just like to know if anyone can give me any helpful information in regard to applying for work WITHIN Norway.
I applied from a EU country so that might be somewhat different, but nevertheless I think the general attitude is "you get a job offer, you get a residence/work permit". Took me three weeks to get it, absolutely no problems, all people were nice and helpful (not US-style over-cheerful, of course, you better get used to that).
Further, I don't know about construction workings, but all officially advertised job offers can be found and searched for keywords at www.nav.no. Of course people will tend to prefer Norwegians (language, culture etc) for a position, but so far unemployment is very low, so chances are not too poor.
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I believe I'll find a job with my friend near Stavanger and get the company to apply for the work permit on my behalf.
You can apply for the permit from Canada, in fact.
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Then I can work under the table to generate some income until my permit is accepted and I can begin work at the 'X' job.
I'd strongly advise against that. It's your life, but AFAIK Norwegian authorities do not like that kind of tax cheating a bit, and if caught you might risk your residence permit. And I do not foresee dire need for this, provided you get a job offer.
The main obstacle is that, in principle, you need a skattekort (tax sheet) for getting payment. You can start working without it, but as long as you do not have one, the employer has to deduct 50% of payment (way more than actual tax you would need to pay, you get the difference back once you have a skattekort). But as I said, if you apply as soon as possible, you should get it within a month, so no big trouble there.
Again, might be somewhat different for Non-EU. I would just mail the people at nav (www.nav.no, try and search for contact addresses for foreign workers) and ask.
[Importing a car is an advanced exercise; I would consider selling the car and, if you want to have one (public transport is adequate for most purposes), find some on finn.no.]
Oh, and about expensive living: Price differences are enormous for many goods in between supermarkets (REMA e.g. is rather cheap, but if you want you can pay double at higher class supermarkets), local food is affordable (cheap things I found: Potatoes (sometimes extremely cheap and very good, too!), tuna and all fish/seafood (fiskekaker, yummy), some frozen meat (kjoetbullar!), bread (good assortments even in supermarkets)). Food can be affordable if you can adapt and restrict yourself a bit. Going out is prohibitively expensive, as is alcohol in general, but that's A Good Thing as far as I am concerned.
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