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allenwrench
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 Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:49 pm Post subject: You voting... |
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| You voting in Nov or abstaining? |
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Cashmere
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:54 pm Post subject: Re: You voting... |
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Not, of course.
Voting is your indication that you believe that a two party system really exists.
I'd rather vote for ghosts and goblins.
For all of you who haven't reached this conclusion - yet - think of me when you pull the lever/press the button/pop your chad.
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joeltrout
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:32 pm Post subject: Re: You voting... |
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| Cashmere wrote: | Not, of course.
Voting is your indication that you believe that a two party system really exists.
I'd rather vote for ghosts and goblins.
For all of you who haven't reached this conclusion - yet - think of me when you pull the lever/press the button/pop your chad. |
If you don't vote then don't complain. 
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eastbay
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:50 pm Post subject: Re: You voting... |
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The Green Party lost my vote because this unfortunate soul won the nomination.
Poor thing has lost it. 
So, now what does an anti-war voter do? Nader? Ron Paul? Barr? One of the many leftist parties?
The abyss draws near...
This essay published today offers an interesting perspective on why NOT voting is also democracy at work.
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dinopello
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:02 pm Post subject: Re: You voting... |
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| allenwrench wrote: | | You voting in Nov or abstaining? |
Neither, I voted this weekend ! |
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smallpoxgirl
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:02 pm Post subject: Re: You voting... |
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| Cashmere wrote: | Not, of course.
Voting is your indication that you believe that a two party system really exists.
I'd rather vote for ghosts and goblins.
For all of you who haven't reached this conclusion - yet - think of me when you pull the lever/press the button/pop your chad. |
+1.
If you do vote, then don't complain. You have no control. Your only choice is whether to dutiful play your assigned roll or not. If you're old enough, you may recall that voting was mandatory in the USSR. There's a reason for that. By voting, you make yourself a participant in the ruling political system. The only major difference between here and there is that they had only one candidate on the ballot where we have two identical candidates on the ballot.
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WyoDutch
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:02 pm Post subject: Re: You voting... |
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| I voted (absentee) a straight, 3rd-Party ticket... starting with Chuck Baldwin (endorsed by Ron Paul) for President. |
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dinopello
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:13 pm Post subject: Re: You voting... |
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| smallpoxgirl wrote: | | The only major difference between here and there is that they had only one candidate on the ballot where we have two identical candidates on the ballot. |
There was several candidates on the ballot in Virginia - I assume you are referring to the presidential election? In addition, we have a senatorial race, congressional race, state house and senate, local county board, school board, several bond referenda (metro, sewer, schools, parks) and a referendum on establishing a housing authority - all of which greatly impact the community in which I live and how it is governed. The presidential race is the least important of all of those. |
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smallpoxgirl
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: You voting... |
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Yeah. It sounds pretty out there. The only thing that makes me a little hesitant to dismiss it is that I've heard, what seem to me pretty credible second hand reports from Spec Ops guys that things were a lot crazier in New Orleans post Katrina than the media lets on. Like full on Iraq style firefights in the Superdome for example. I don't believe that the government just decided to cap 5000 prisoners in the head SS style, but I could definitely see them wanting to cover up some of the casualties from Blackwater and Spec Ops gun battles.
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I can hear the flowers a-growin in the rubble of the towers.
I hear leaders quit their lying
I hear babies quit their crying.
I hear soldiers quit their dying, one and all." - OCMS |
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Ludi
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:18 pm Post subject: Re: You voting... |
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I'm voting.
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IanC
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:19 pm Post subject: Re: You voting... |
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Cash and others,
Remember that there are many other offices and/or ballot measures "down ballot" that are very important to vote for.
Personally, I think the presidential race is one of the least important offices we vote for in terms of the day-to-day effect on my life. I find it much more important to make sure we have solid people in local offices. Remember that they will be making "street level" decisions during the coming oil apocolypse.
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SchroedingersCat
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:21 pm Post subject: Re: You voting... |
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I've decided to start voting randomly. Ignore the names and mark boxes however I feel. The results will be the same, I still get to complain (because I voted) and it might help. Monkeys and darts still do pretty well on Wall St.
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Cashmere
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:01 pm Post subject: Re: You voting... |
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| joeltrout wrote: | | Cashmere wrote: | Not, of course.
Voting is your indication that you believe that a two party system really exists.
I'd rather vote for ghosts and goblins.
For all of you who haven't reached this conclusion - yet - think of me when you pull the lever/press the button/pop your chad. |
If you don't vote then don't complain.
joeltrout |
Keep shoveling the apple pie Joel. Keep shoveling.
It's what they told you in the idiot factory, right?
They told you that it's the duty of every free American to vote, and not voting is a dereliction of that duty. Right?
They told you that, if you don't vote, you have no right to complain.
That's what they told you Joel, right?
They lied to you Joel.
What they should have told you is that the same corporate interests have bought and sold both parties, and there is no distinction between them.
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Zel
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:05 pm Post subject: Re: You voting... |
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| I'm voting. We have lots of Libertarians on the ticket for state, county and local offices. |
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joeltrout
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:08 am Post subject: Re: You voting... |
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| Cashmere wrote: |
Keep shoveling the apple pie Joel. Keep shoveling.
It's what they told you in the idiot factory, right?
They told you that it's the duty of every free American to vote, and not voting is a dereliction of that duty. Right?
They told you that, if you don't vote, you have no right to complain.
That's what they told you Joel, right?
They lied to you Joel.
What they should have told you is that the same corporate interests have bought and sold both parties, and there is no distinction between them. |
There are billions of people across the world that can't vote and some die trying to vote.
I figure I should vote even if it doesn't actually matter. That way I can complain if McCain doesn't get elected.
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