Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:08 pm Post subject: Re: Mouse In the Stash
Ziplocks in metal garbage cans.
Not cool, not high tech but rodent and bug proof and if you care to add Mylar bags, O2 absorbers, inert gas, etc. so much the better.
The deal with the cool sealing pails is you need to be scrupulously clean to not attract critters and I'd assume the seal doesn't last forever - once they get the smell of goodies they'll start to knaw.
With steel cans it don't matter, at least in my little experience. _________________ Make a plan and work it:
Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: Mouse In the Stash
Quinny wrote:
I've been using paper sacks in plastic containers that seal, but someone had knocked the lid loose on one.
Do you really need the CO2/O inhibitors if you keep the sacks in sealed plastic containers?
No, you don't "need" to use oxygen absorbers... I believe the reason people prefer using them along with plastic containers (that seal air tight), is because people are hoping to store their food for a long time, and are trying to preserve it as long as possible. I know that is my goal anyway...
Air, light, and moisture are the enemies of food... And if there is air, the possibility of bugs eating your food is also greater. I personally freeze everything I plan to put away for a week. Then, if it's grain or beans that can take a little heat, I put it in the oven at about 200... let it cool, and then add the food to the metalized liners inside of 5 gallon buckets. When I'm ready to seal the buckets I give each of my sons a rubber mallet, and as quickly as possibly I throw in the absorbers and we seal the buckets shut. It's a LOT of work, but hopefully, when we need the food; it will still be okay to eat.
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: Mouse In the Stash
Pops wrote:
Ziplocks in metal garbage cans.
Not cool, not high tech but rodent and bug proof and if you care to add Mylar bags, O2 absorbers, inert gas, etc. so much the better.
The deal with the cool sealing pails is you need to be scrupulously clean to not attract critters and I'd assume the seal doesn't last forever - once they get the smell of goodies they'll start to knaw.
With steel cans it don't matter, at least in my little experience.
I would love to do that and it probably is the best idea.
My storage place is earth berm high moisture content. I was afraid how long those cans would last, you know back when I had even money on 2 years versus 30 years before peak. _________________ “It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him.”
J.R.R. Tolkien
"The time has come for men to act like men; and for women, well, to act a lot more like men."
-Ma Cur
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: Mouse In the Stash
We've been using galvanized aluminum trash cans to store our animal feed. We leave them out in the weather right next to the pens for convenience. We've had zero problems with critters getting in or deterioration of the cans. You can't do this if you use the feed slowly because it will get moldy, but if you are rotating it quickly with new feed it works fine. I don't know how long the cans will last, but these have been in use for over 3 years and are still good as new. So I bet if you had them in your shop or basement or whatever, they would last a very long time. _________________ "Every junkie's like a setting sun..." - Neil Young
Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:54 pm Post subject: Re: Mouse In the Stash
mattduke wrote:
smallpoxgirl wrote:
Plastic buckets. Very important.
If you're gonna have a lot of food around, you gotta put it in mouse proof containers. I hate them. You gotta starve them off or they'll overrun you.
Can you suggest a website that sells them? I realize I'm being incredibly lazy and could search the forums.
I'm very happy with the orange home depot buckets. I don't know that a mouse couldn't chew through one, but I've certainly never seen one that determined. Maybe a rat would. _________________ "So while you sit and whistle Dixie with your money and your power.
I can hear the flowers a-growin in the rubble of the towers.
I hear leaders quit their lying
I hear babies quit their crying.
I hear soldiers quit their dying, one and all." - OCMS
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject: Re: Mouse In the Stash
smallpoxgirl wrote:
mattduke wrote:
smallpoxgirl wrote:
Plastic buckets. Very important.
If you're gonna have a lot of food around, you gotta put it in mouse proof containers. I hate them. You gotta starve them off or they'll overrun you.
Can you suggest a website that sells them? I realize I'm being incredibly lazy and could search the forums.
I'm very happy with the orange home depot buckets. I don't know that a mouse couldn't chew through one, but I've certainly never seen one that determined. Maybe a rat would.
yes rats and squirrels can and will. _________________ “It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him.”
J.R.R. Tolkien
"The time has come for men to act like men; and for women, well, to act a lot more like men."
-Ma Cur
Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:26 pm Post subject: Re: Mouse In the Stash
eXpat wrote:
There´s a very old method to deal with this, better than any poison:
And on top of that it purrs on your lap.
I agree. Also, those rat terrier dogs are vicious killers, of mice. That is what they were bred for in England.
Don't hesitate to rely on domesticated animals to do a job for you. That is what they were bred for and they can typically do the job 100 times better than a human.
Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:35 pm Post subject: Re: Mouse In the Stash
wisconsin_cur wrote:
smallpoxgirl wrote:
mattduke wrote:
smallpoxgirl wrote:
Plastic buckets. Very important.
If you're gonna have a lot of food around, you gotta put it in mouse proof containers. I hate them. You gotta starve them off or they'll overrun you.
Can you suggest a website that sells them? I realize I'm being incredibly lazy and could search the forums.
I'm very happy with the orange home depot buckets. I don't know that a mouse couldn't chew through one, but I've certainly never seen one that determined. Maybe a rat would.
yes rats and squirrels can and will.
Yeah. Fortunately I haven't had either of those in my house. I think I got invaded by raccoons a couple of months ago, but since I let the dog out to patrol, that hasn't happened again. _________________ "So while you sit and whistle Dixie with your money and your power.
I can hear the flowers a-growin in the rubble of the towers.
I hear leaders quit their lying
I hear babies quit their crying.
I hear soldiers quit their dying, one and all." - OCMS
Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:04 am Post subject: Re: Mouse In the Stash
Our cat catches bats.
Every morning at 3 am he wakes me up for a pet and I have to open the door to the roof, then he sits up on the roof calling to the bats and every night he catches one or two of them.
He chatters at them real high, I can't hear it, they swoop in ad he just grabs them out of the air in the dark, most amazing thing I ever sawd, there are some nights now where no bats come any more, they must be learning that our house eats them.
We have ZEROE mice and moles around our house, never realized how many rats these guys can catch.
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:37 am Post subject: Re: Mouse In the Stash
Jotapay wrote:
I agree. Also, those rat terrier dogs are vicious killers, of mice. That is what they were bred for in England.
Don't hesitate to rely on domesticated animals to do a job for you. That is what they were bred for and they can typically do the job 100 times better than a human.
Our JRT could almost feed himself through the summer between chipmunks, mice and voles.
I have very little idea what he exactly kills, he loves to eat it right away. He is also a good guard dog (a few more false alarms than i would like but one shouldn't be too picky). _________________ “It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him.”
J.R.R. Tolkien
"The time has come for men to act like men; and for women, well, to act a lot more like men."
-Ma Cur
The 'Gastronomical Festival of the Cat' – dubbed the 'Massacre of the Moggies' – sees townsfolk in Canete, near Lima, feast on the fluffy pets for two days.
_________________ “It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him.”
J.R.R. Tolkien
"The time has come for men to act like men; and for women, well, to act a lot more like men."
-Ma Cur
The 'Gastronomical Festival of the Cat' – dubbed the 'Massacre of the Moggies' – sees townsfolk in Canete, near Lima, feast on the fluffy pets for two days.
Whoa. That reminds me of the YouTube video of the Chinese cat and dog skinning operations where they brutally kill and skin any dog or cat they can get their hands on. If you buy fur from China, it's probably someone's Fluffy that got poached.
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