Like the illusion of Wall Street, with its vast and powerful investment banks, now shuttered, China too is an illusion perpetuated by the Globalists that gave us the 15,000 mile Caesar salad, poisoned cat food and lead based paint on babies' pacifiers. Like the illusion that money would come from thin air to always push housing prices higher, China has spent a generation pursuing its illusion. Pursuing an unattainable dream to be like the West, while 6000 years of its carefully shepherded top soil blows into the sea.
Joined: Sep 25, 2004 Posts: 4721 Location: Boston, MA
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 6:52 pm Post subject: Re: Over Population - Thomas Malthus - Elitism
ferrelgiraffe wrote:
IOt is very simple indeed.
everyone must stop having children, no wars have to be fought, taxes would decrease (we can shut down 1st grade in five years, then 2nd grade then 3rd grade etc
less health care dollars
polulation in 30 years would be 2 billion no pain.
thats it
We would stay just ahead of the curve as the oil depletes.
?
Do you have any idea what the population pyramid would look like in that scenario?
We would have <15 year olds and 45+ year olds. Few of whom could do the kind of physical labor required in a "post peak" world. Who would care for the old folks? Ignoring that post...
Don't forget that the fastest population growth is in the places that have the smallest footprint. The Middle East, Poor Asia, Africa, and Latin America have the smallest ecological footprints but rampant population growth.
Most of the First World is already experiencing a decline in the native population. Immigration is masking a demographic collapse in places like France, Italy, America, Germany, etc.
If we significantly lower third world immigration into the first world, population growth rates in places that are most destructive to the planet would crash. As for overpopulation in Africa, Latin America, India, and the rest...who cares? They aren't using much in the way of resources anyway.
At least not the resource that this board generally focuses on. (Petroleum...) _________________ "www.peakoil.com is the Myspace of the Apocalypse."
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:30 pm Post subject: Re: Over Population - Thomas Malthus - Elitism
ferrelgiraffe wrote:
Nature is getting the population ready for the famine.
like a bear going into winter.
a fat person could survive for a year.
I thought the machines were getting ready to power up the Matrix and plug the power cords into us and figured we would generate more BTUs if we were fat.
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:28 am Post subject: Re: Over Population - Thomas Malthus - Elitism
ohanian wrote:
where food with loads of energy is dirt cheap while food with very little energy is obscenely expensive. Imagine 300 million people living in this science fiction paradise. Why this world would have fat poor people and thin rich people. Imagine living in that kind of society!!!
so true though, we may yet have a long time to go before we're back at the "normal" medieval opinion that fat means rich and beautiful. _________________ "The best thing about the future is that it comes only one day at a time."
Joined: Jun 06, 2005 Posts: 1294 Location: the place where smartasses dwell
Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:05 pm Post subject: Re: Over Population - Thomas Malthus - Elitism
Ahhhh ! Rubenesque women everywhere , Jboogy paradise !!! I just wanna get lost in their soft , curvaceous nooks and crannies. _________________ It's the height of rudeness for the stretch polyester pants crowd to foist their tard version of Christ on talmudic scholars. But they don't get this, because they are, after all, extremely thick.----Threadbare
This is the asshat who basically started all of this nonsense.
He wanted pop control for the poor and lower classes but not the elite because he was an elite.
Read it all and let it sink in.
Lies all farking lies.
On my way out so I thought I would speak the truth about this before I go.
PO is reality but all the other crap is more then likely crap, window dressing reality... _________________ It is easier to enslave a people that wish to remain free then it is to free a people who wish to remain enslaved.
Joined: Mar 26, 2005 Posts: 3904 Location: over here
Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 3:37 pm Post subject: Re: Over Population - Thomas Malthus - Elitism
Malthus is indeed the most important name in the overpopulation issue, at least in the academic world. Many people that I regard as elitist use his failed predictions (though there was the Irish potatoe famine in the mid 19th century) as a (false) argument that we'll not be confronted with a die-off in the future.
I believe that at the very least we'll feel the population pressures in the future and I think that you (NEO) are suggesting that there are 'techno' solutions being held from us by, I assume, secret societies.
Personally I think it's more likely that such techno fixes are being held from us by extraterrestrial intelligent beings, but I also deem that quite unlikely. Really, it's the population explosion itself that started this 'nonsense', not Thomas Malthus. _________________ "The best thing about the future is that it comes only one day at a time."
Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: Over Population - Thomas Malthus - Elitism
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techno fixes are being held from us by extraterrestrial intelligent beings
Close. More like men in black suites with shades, you never get to see the wizard of oz. I know, I know it sounds a bit fruity, but hey nothing beats a first hand experience. If you like I will provide you a patent for submission and then when they come you'll get it. However, your purpose here seems to be that of the doubting thomas, an archetype that represents stop looking at those dam symbols because your crazy, or is your avatar just a reaction to the wingnuts here that study these symbols? Sure it is. Next, you'll be telling us we are crazy like Charles Mason.
Joined: Sep 16, 2007 Posts: 1465 Location: Oklahoma City, USA
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:30 pm Post subject: Re: FT: Food and the Spectre of Malthus
Well, yes, they're volatile because they're crammed in together where they can complain to each other and get each other all riled up about being poor. Hard to get a riot started when your nearest neighbor is miles away... _________________ Conservation is conservative
It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the ones most responsive to change. -- Charles Darwin
Joined: Apr 07, 2005 Posts: 225 Location: West of Chicago
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:53 pm Post subject: Re: FT: Food and the Spectre of Malthus
...rural poor suffering? Anybody with a garden and $100 worth of seeds can do quite a bit for their dinner tables. I'd heard (but don't know if it's true) that one tomato plant can grow 55 pounds of tomatoes.
Mrs. Lupus and I are part-time gardeners and complete amateurs. We got 32 quarts of tomatoes out of a modest garden. I think the rural poor would do better than most would think they'd do.
Joined: Nov 15, 2007 Posts: 341 Location: US East Coast
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:41 pm Post subject: Re: FT: Food and the Spectre of Malthus
Interesting article because it starts to make the connection between the various "systems" that support our world population and how they are "integrated" or not. We import oil, and use domestic water on our domestic land to grow food to export, some of which goes back to the oil producing countries. If you look at the GFN stats for the mid-east oil producers they are all massively dependent on outside help for food.
One wonders how this international trade will develop in the future as we devote more domestic resources to growing our oil and their population increase making them more dependent upon the West for food. I'm not advocating a position but wondering out loud.
As the ecology worsens, water become more scarce, oil depletes, and population does not the balance of "haves" and "have nots" is likely to change with each group gaming the other and struggling for position and gain. It is all very complicated, I fear it augers for unsettling times. _________________ When going through hell, keep going! Churchill
Nothing is ever lost by courtesy. It is the the cheapest of pleasures, costs nothing, and conveys much. E Wiman
I know there’s no solution, so I just enjoy what’s here and I enjoy the journey G Carlin
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: FT: Food and the Spectre of Malthus
You have to read Mike Davis's book Planet of Slums. If you have ever been to what used to be "the third world" you know that there are huge cities living on the edge all over the world. A great example is Lagos, or Mexico City. Places where most of the people live in informal shantytowns surrounding an urban core. A billion people lived this way in 2005.
In Guatemala City they called them Barrancos. The people there are barely subsisting. A rise in food prices pushes them to riot. I saw it. Busses flipped and burned. A rise in food prices for the urban poor is bad news. There will be trouble. link _________________ Deep in the mud and slime of things, even there, something sings.
Joined: Aug 03, 2007 Posts: 4570 Location: Boston Suburbs
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:57 pm Post subject: Re: FT: Food and the Spectre of Malthus
Newfie wrote:
As the ecology worsens, water become more scarce, oil depletes, and population does not the balance of "haves" and "have nots" is likely to change with each group gaming the other and struggling for position and gain.
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:14 am Post subject: Re: FT: Food and the Spectre of Malthus
Newfie wrote:
We import oil, and use domestic water on our domestic land to grow food to export, some of which goes back to the oil producing countries. If you look at the GFN stats for the mid-east oil producers they are all massively dependent on outside help for food.
One wonders how this international trade will develop in the future as we devote more domestic resources to growing our oil and their population increase making them more dependent upon the West for food. I'm not advocating a position but wondering out loud.
As the ecology worsens, water become more scarce, oil depletes, and population does not the balance of "haves" and "have nots" is likely to change with each group gaming the other and struggling for position and gain.
It is quite popular here to flagellate ourselves because we are dependent on oil imports, never mind that all four largest economies in the world - USA, China, Japan and Germany - plus many others are net oil importers, and no country is energy self-sufficient. That is why we rely on trade.
It is nice to know that 'we' also have something to trade that 'they' need. Otherwise how else could 'we' offset those expensive energy imports? But I am pretty sure 'they' would not be too chuffed about an agriculture exporting cartel called the Organization of Ag Exporting Countries (OAEC) to control export volumes and keep food prices artificially high. Why they would probably drag 'us' before the WTO? ; - ) _________________ The organized state is a wonderful invention whereby everyone can live at someone else's expense.
Joined: Nov 15, 2007 Posts: 341 Location: US East Coast
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:54 am Post subject: Re: FT: Food and the Spectre of Malthus
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Why they would probably drag 'us' before the WTO? ; -)
Quite likely. And when that didn't work, and they were hungry and facing riots at home they would then........?
To which we would respond with..........?
Sounds like an ugly long term escalation to me. _________________ When going through hell, keep going! Churchill
Nothing is ever lost by courtesy. It is the the cheapest of pleasures, costs nothing, and conveys much. E Wiman
I know there’s no solution, so I just enjoy what’s here and I enjoy the journey G Carlin
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If you like I will provide you a patent for submission and then when they come you'll get it. However, your purpose here seems to be that of the doubting thomas, an archetype that represents stop looking at those dam symbols because your crazy, or is your avatar just a reaction to the wingnuts here that study these symbols? Sure it is. Next, you'll be telling us we are crazy like Charles Mason. 
