THE Somalia Thread (merged)

UIUCstudent01 · Intermediate Crude Joined: Mar 10, 2005 Posts: 894

You know. I never really thought PIRATES still existed. I guess I was sheltered or somesuch...
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philneville · Coal Joined: Aug 23, 2005 Posts: 19

Somalia govt to disarm militia groups, says PM 28.08.05 By Ken Ramani
A national disarmament exercise will be launched across Somalia in the next few weeks.
The Prime Minister Ali Mohamed Gedi yesterday said his government would take over Mogadishu in three months time and the capital will not be spared of the exercise.
Mogadishu, said to be the most dangerous city in Africa, is controlled by warlords in the Cabinet but are reluctant to disarm their militia.

Speaking at the Somalia liaison office in Nairobi, Gedi denied sentiments expressed by Speaker Sheriff Hassan Sheikh Aden that foreign elements were being recruited into the Somali army.
"Those were allegations that must be treated as so. No truth in the claims," said Gedi.
President Abdillahi Yusuf last week said the disarmament exercise will be peaceful adding that all armed groups will be requested to surrender their weapons.
"No force will be applied. The disarmament exercise is for the interests of the whole country," Yusuf was quoted as saying.

The Prime Minister returned to Nairobi on Saturday night after a five-day trip to Rome.
He said he held fruitful consultations with the Italian authorities who pledged financial and material aid to his country."The Italian government promised to help build schools, train civil service staff and rebuild infrastructure. The aid will be disbursed very soon," said Gedi.
The Prime Minister warned multi-national companies interested in investing in the country’s natural resources that they risked losses should they not seek authority from the transitional government.

He singled out the state of Puntland that is about to issue oil exploration rights to an Australian company.
"Foreign companies/investors should stop their attempts of dealing with local authorities without prior written consent from the government. Any violation against this statement will result in negative consequences and the external/internal culprits will shoulder the consequences," warned Gedi.
He, however, said his order did not apply in the case of Somaliland, a breakaway region that used to be part of the greater Somalia.

Noting that his government is continuously receiving applications regarding exploration, production and marketing of natural resources such as minerals, natural gas and oil, Gedi said unless specific legislations are put in place, it might be impossible to give concessions.
He appealed to the international community to help Somalia in safeguarding its natural resources from illegal exploitors.
The PM said previous agreements entered with foreign firms will be reviewed once his government puts in place new rules.
Gedi said investigations are going on to establish the nature and extent of toxic waste dumping in parts of Somalia.

philneville · Coal Joined: Aug 23, 2005 Posts: 19

Well if you've been there you'd agree alot of it is like a Mad Max movie, obviously its not going to be the same but is it the closest thing right now?
Yes or no? If not, which country is then?

Jack · Dark Lord Joined: Aug 11, 2004 Posts: 5123

I agree - Somalia is probably an accurate vision of the future.
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Somalia as a future world example has about as much chance as the Jetsons as the future image.
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philneville · Coal Joined: Aug 23, 2005 Posts: 19

I said the CLOSEST thing we have right now, the CLOSEST EXAMPLE.

Understand?

Now is it a yes or no, if no, then tell me what country is then and without refering to cartoons.

Macsporan

No.

American in the 1850's is the closest example to our future.

One long Western. Who wouldn't want that?
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philneville · Coal Joined: Aug 23, 2005 Posts: 19

Current closest example, we can go back, we know that but what can we look at now, to give us some sort of idea, of how it will be even if it isn't the same.

Novus · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Jun 21, 2005 Posts: 1750

It really depends on what time frame you are looking at and what part of the world. I suspect much of the third world and particularly Africa will look like Somalia during the time frame of 2010 to 2050. Post 2050 Africa will go back to tribalism of the pre 1800s era.

The Western world including the US, Canada, and Europe will resemble the early days of post USSR Russia during the 2010 to 2050 time frame. In between that time there will be issolated cases of wars and anarchy. Los Angeles will be abondoned to peak oil like New Orleans was abondoned because of Global Warming. LA is desert that can't support the 6 million people that live there without cheap oil. The depopulation will likely be the result of a large earthquake. Post 2050 the Western world will resemble somewhat a mix between 1860s light industrialism and 1400s Fuedalism.

The East mainly China and Japan could come to resemble North Korea. Their culture values order over freedom. They will be half starved but they will have the least chaos because they are more accepting of brutal governments. If parts of the Western world are turned into Mad Max it would be because the people prefere that over dictatorship.

I_Like_Plants

The USA's southern areas after the War Of Northern Aggression might be a good example.

MD

The world will continue to have wide variation in culture, population, prosperity, and climate. sure some areas will look like somalia today, some will look like buffalo NY, some will look like Hong Kong.

There is no single image that answers the question
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MacG · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Jun 04, 2005 Posts: 1178

Ahem... What exactly DOES Somalia look like today? Are there any recent firsthand reports? From other places than Mogadishu that is. No rumours, urban legends and similar stuff, only firsthand reports please. Hargesia? Awdal? Whats going on there nowdays?

I_Like_Plants

I was reading, on the Gutenberg site, Mark Twain's "A Tramp Abroad", wherein he travels around Europe around 1870s I think, interesting look at a different society, spa-baths are where the water comes hot out of the earth and you go there if you like spas so much, travel is walking around, or you take the train, etc., hotels are nice, "nice" probably means linens washed once in a while and plenty of camphor, ceder, etc used to keep bugs down and a nice pitcher of water to wash with and pour a drink (Twain talks in another work about drinking Mississippi river water thick with mud when growing up) and a chamber pot with flowers painted on. There are telling glimpses of the local people here and there, people keep flocks of geese and I'm sure daily life was quite frugal. But there was an equilibrium, it was a sustainable life.

That's the far future, you guys are right, the nearer future will resemble what Russia's gone through.

philneville · Coal Joined: Aug 23, 2005 Posts: 19