The Official Abiotic Oil Thread

net-paw

Oh yes ... the it means nothing to PO claptrap. A great way to dismiss the abiotic debate. PO is all about DEPLETION and LIMITS as you so aptly put it.

BUT what I am trying to say to you is that you are receiving this information about depletion and supposed limits by the very companies that push the PO and the "fossil fuel" theories.

Are the oil companies the ones behind the "fossil fuel" theory ? Or the science behind it ?

Do you guys really have ANY idea how the world works ? ANY IDEA AT ALL ? Do you know who is behind our education systems ? Or scientific funding ? Do you believe all the BS that is shoved down our throats daily. If you are from the US look into how your modern education system was founded. You will find ROCKEFELLAR is deeply involved. Not only him but the many so called NGO's and funds set up by these very rich and powerful men. I'll give you one very small yet not so small example.

In Australia like much of the US one of the most toxic substances known to man is poured into our water systems. When you ask our Water Authority for the region I live in they will quote the WHO, The ADA ( American dental association ) etc etc etc when saying the levels they place in our water are safe. Yes I am talking about fluoride.

BUT when you look into the history of those who support the safety of fluoride you find a labrynth of lies and deception. I won't go into it here. But the more you look into this one subject the more you will see the obvious truth. Most of europe won't allow fluoride in their water because they know it is toxic even at low levels. But our so called scientific and political leaders allow this to happen. Just take a quick look if you are interested, it's enlightening to see how the system really works.

Some people call it a failure of the corporate capatalist system. It's all about greed. But when these same type of people are forming our education systems ( even the reserve bank system if you care to look up your history ) are behind scientific medical research for the drug companies ( closely tied to the oil companies ). They don't want to CURE people. Only make them well enough so they can still buy their drugs. But these same people control the very financial system our countries rely on. Think about it. You may also want to look into the collapse of Britain during the world war periods and how that REALLY came about. Same with the Asian financial crisis as well.

The reason I mentioned fluoride is because if you look into it you will find out what happens to scientists that dare speak out.

That's why I have brought up the so called "oil crisis" of the 70's previously . It is not commonly known how that REALLY came about, who did the manipulating and for what reasons. History is full of major events that are also incorrectly taught at schools and through published literature. Even our media is not immune to it. But of course that's an over the top conspiracy theory right ? YEH RIGHT.

Of course you are going to dismiss what I say out of hand. Well that's up to you, but remaining ignorant is your own perogative. Once you start looking into things a little deeper it's a bit like the Matrix and you wish you'd taken the other pill. Start scratching below the surface and you WON'T like what you see.

Now you might be 100 percent right that the abiotic debate has no relevance when it comes to how much oil we can use in a given time. But until such time as the PO community really attempts to debunk JF Kenney's papers in detail ( and I mean all his papers ) then I have reason to dispute anything coming out of the oil company sponsored PO movement. But in all reality I don't think they will be able to debunk his papers. T Gold yes, geez even Kenney disputes some of the things T Gold wrote. That's without looking into the fact that the so called expert doomsayers say how much little oil we have. I guess well over 1 Trillion barrels in Venzuala alone is not enough to sway their estimates... or the hundreds of billions under the Caspian sea. So do you really trust these people ?

I personally don't trust the whole PO debate. But that stems from knowing some of the people and organisations behind it and how they relate to previous stages of history and almost unrelated topics. You really are being hoodwinked. That doesn't mean PO won't happen, by my guess the balls allready rolling, I just think that almost without a doubt it is deliberate. That's even scarier than thinking it's because we are using it too quickly.

mekrob · Expert Joined: Dec 09, 2005 Posts: 2663

I gotta say, if you actually had anything of substance in what you said, you could convince anyone about anything. Really. You are a terrific debater. Congrats. I mean, you try to link flouride to oil. farking brilliant. "You know there has been bad studies with flouride. Therefore, PO is false!!!".

Oil companies are the ones saying PO doesn't exist. Why can't you get that through your farking head? Exxon Mobile has even taken out ads in major newspapers to RIDICULE Peak Oil. And you think they are trying to prop it up across the world? You have some massive balls.

If abiotic has no relevance, then we don't need to concern it. As far as I'm concerned, it has no relevance, even if it's true. Our wells aren't refilling, so what does it matter?

And the hundreds of billions in the Caspian were before much of the drilling occurred. We were promised that Prudhoe Bay and Alaska were going to have enough oil to get us out of the energy crisis, but all it was was a tiny blip. North Sea peak 10 years before it was predicted to! So there are instances when initial estimates are less than the actual. So you shouldn't be surprised when the hundred of billions in the Caspian don't turn out to be that large.

And Ven? Do you have any idea how horrible that oil is? It's basically tar sands, if not down-right tarsands. If it were free flowing oil, the kind we need, then it would have already been in production. Pointing that out is just like those idiots on the street who say in response to PO, "Don't worry, we have shale oil".

BTW, I'm kinda busy, so could you care to explain how abiotic theory explains how shale oil occurs?

EnergyUnlimited · Fission Joined: May 15, 2006 Posts: 2918

Say, that oil is of abiotic origin for the sake of argument.
Does it mean that we can drill into a mantle?
How FAST it is made in a mantle anyway?
Did anyone hear about oil belching vulcano? (this would be a fun).

I have another suggestion:
Why not to mine a CORE?

net-paw

Just because fluoride is bad for you does not mean that PO is not real. Like I said it is just the way "science" works. Again like I said look up as much info as you can on it and it will open your eyes a bit. But hell or don't it's up to you.

If I had anything of substance ? Ha I have so many papers and stuff stored on my PC to keep me going for ages, and have wiped just as much because I have run out of room. But having someone show you each and every little detail would do nothing. You need to be able to look into it for yourself and come to your own conclusions. People get stuck on a certain subject the fail to look at other events throughout history. I could post hundreds of links to articles I have read or even books that I have read on oil history and history in general, but would anyone read them ? Have you finished reading the links from JF Kenney or even Lynch. Or the ones I provided that show how the "oil crisis" came about and who was behnind it ( You can don't even have top read the whole book ). Yet you say that there isn't any substance to what I have said.

As for the oil companies advertising that PO doesn't exist. What about the oil companies that have spent millions stating peak oil is real ? What about the websites and forums they have started up ? How about the fact that the ASPO was funded by companies such as Halliburton and Sclumberger ?

As for abiotic oil having no relevance. I guess that depends on how you look at it. Perhaps you are right. But if abiotic oil is right then how can you be sure that the info you received from the oil companies and so called experts is right ? If they falsified the whole "fossil fuel" thing, what else have the lied about ? Does that mean that different ways of searching for oil would work ? Does it mean that known oil reserves are even larger than stated by the oil companies ? Surely they are the ones who benefit when oil supplies are resticted aren't they.

Oh as for oil and volcanoes. Surely you aren't that ignorant on the subject are you ? DO you know where all the worlds largest oil deposits are ? They are all in areas filled with mud volcanos. Do you know what is erupted out of mud volcanos ? Oil and gas. They even have a gas fields hanging of the side of a volcano in New Zealand. Oh and just because all the major oil fields are near mud volcanos doesn't prove the abiotic origins of oil, just your point of volcanos and oil showed a little ignorance ( thats not an insult by the way because I'm ignorant on a lot of subjects as well )

It's funny I just read something on the proces of creating biogenic oil in a lab. It was to show that oil has been formed in a lab biogenically. But if you read the papers by Kenney he explains how the process that they used are not replicated inside the earth. Anyway I am not stating that abiotic oil will produce at a certain rate. Even Kenney does not state that. But anyway.

As for Shale oil... I guess if reading JF Kenneys paper is something your not willing to take the time to do then me posting other links into shale oil formation is pointless. Besides it's discussed in his papers anyway.

Err sorry for the sarcasm there. If I get time over the next couple of weeks I'll write up something brief for you guys to have a read of. Been meaning to do it for ages anyway. I won't have the internet again for a couple of weeks so I must apologise if I don't come back and reply in here for a while. It's either pay for my electricity and internet bill or buy food, so I'll have to do without both for a while so I can still eat. It'll be good to get a break from everything anyway.

mekrob · Expert Joined: Dec 09, 2005 Posts: 2663

If shale is explained in the papers, then I'd dabble at them. I was just trying to see if it was actually explained at all.

Which ads have oil companies taken out addressing PO? I'm surprised they weren't shown on here...

mekrob · Expert Joined: Dec 09, 2005 Posts: 2663

I guess the hardest thing to accept about all of this (companies manipulating on a grand scale) is the fact that they need a motive. What is the motive? Well, if you're going to these large scale operations, it always turns out to be global domination or police states, etc. Why would they want to do this? They make a farking killing off of keeping us as 'free' slaves as it is. If they limit production, production which we NEED to survive, then the popluation will shrink. Less population equals to less wealth and profit for them as there won't be as many people to buy their junk and fill their treasuries. I have a hard time finding any motive for them to want to 'manufacture' all of this. Cheap and, more importantly, plentiful oil is what keeps the world safe. What happens when a massive depression hits? People will go ape-crap and probably go after the rich. Now why would oil companies want to be the target of mobs? If you don't think it's possible, just look at Nigeria.

EnergyUnlimited · Fission Joined: May 15, 2006 Posts: 2918

I can not see any reason, why big oil corporations would go to conspiracy, saying that oil is scarce.

Doing so would help to drive attention to other sources of energy (wind, nukes etc.) and sales of oil would go down without price increases.
Coal liquification would also crop in faster (it still will) and demand for oil would be still reduced.
When in the future oil will go really scarce, no one will need it any more. Once a price exceed certain limit (say $300 per barrel), remaining oil will become obsolete. Few wars may be runned meantime to keep the oil BELOW this critical price as long as possible.

In respect to vulcanos:
I am still not aware of an oil belching vulcano, but I am aware that there is particulary rich plant vegetation in surroundings of vulcano.
People elect to live there even if dangerous. They have a reason for it.
This rich plant vegetation is coherrent with BIOTIC origin of oil.
Analysis of fresh vulcanic ashes and deposits is failing to find an oil there.
It rather looks like erruptions are killing a plant/animal life around vulcano from time to time and some remains of this organic materials are ending up as oil mixed with pumice etc.
The entire process (dead plant/dino to oil conversion) would still take few milions years to complete.

nth · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Feb 24, 2005 Posts: 1973

Is there any abiotic oil theories that quantify how much is being produced per day by Earth?

eastbay

Hopefully it's 85 million bbl/d. It better be anyhow. Laughing

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killJOY · Fission Joined: Feb 21, 2005 Posts: 2345 Location: ^NNE^

WOW. This thread is still going?

Thought it would've been flushed down the toilet a long time ago.

Magnet for stupidasses, I guess.

eastbay

Hey KJ, ... lol... did I misspell a word or something??? Razz

I should have added, '... and 90 mb/d next year'. Very Happy

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TheDude · Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 6:40 pm Post subject: Abiotic oil question

I haven't read Black Gold Stranglehold, I'm convinced by the counterarguments set forth by Heinberg and others. Nor have I plowed all the way through the Abiotic Oil thread here.
Why do people bother to embrace this theory at all? The evidence is deeply weighed against it, why do they need to invoke it at all?

Is the abiotic oil theory embraced by some as somehow being in line with the Biblical history model? I can understand why Alex Jones would be behind it - your conspiracy of governments and corporations plus your not having to frighten your target audience with the overly distressing message that no one's going to be able to fill their tank someday.

So aside from (I assume) conservative Christians, maybe some scam artists (sell you an abiotic well, buddy? Cheap, never been used, replenishes itself!) and C2C guests doing battle with the Illuminati - why? It's like believing the Earth is hollow.
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PraiseDoom · Heavy Crude Joined: Apr 23, 2007 Posts: 297