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Survival garden in a hurry
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Ludi
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PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2005 6:06 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Yikes, I hope they didn't try to eat daffodils.... Shocked
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Hard to say. If I was eating just potatoes and onions I'd be sick to death of them and they'd be gone in 2-3 weeks I'd guess. I don't know what the yield will be like on the pumpkins and zukini but based on previous gardens my mother had I know I'll be sick of them long before I've ate them all. Apparently I've planted too many of them Wink Even so I'd assume that everything combined would last me 1 month tops, never mind how to store it all. Of course all my garden is giving me at the moment is strawberries, onions, and garlic. Most of it won't be ready until well after I've starved if it was my only source of food.

If I was aiming for my entire diet coming from my garden I'd Build at least 10 more gardens the same size except of course I don't have enough land to do that without clear cutting the woods in the back. The real issue I have is the dead period through winter. I'll be forced into hunting which I tend to do anyways. I do still intend to triple my garden space but I'll be doing it by making more smallish gardens similar to what I'm currently doing.
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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2005 6:43 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Sounds like a good plan strider. I'm enlarging my garden areas as well, making a number of small gardens right around the house, that I might be able to water with captured rain, or greywater in the future. Also, I'm looking into drought tolerant edible plants I can let fend for themselves. Some of those are yucky, but if I'm starving, I won't mind so much I don't think. Probably need to take up hunting as well, but we don't yet have a gun. I have a squirrel trap, so I might try eating squirrel one of these days soon. I need to figure out an efficient way of killing the little guys without a gun. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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Got me on how to get squirrels efficiently. I shoot at nothing smaller then big rabbits and I miss most of them anyways.
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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2005 10:03 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

strider3700 wrote:
Got me on how to get squirrels efficiently.


snares?
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Oh I can catch them easy enough in a trap, it's killing them I'm not sure about...cut off the head like a chicken, or what? Shocked
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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2005 12:57 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

ludi i am curious how you solve this problem too, i will be raising meat rabbits at some point

i dont know if this city girl could strangle a rabbit

little bitty .22 pistol to back of skull???
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Ludi wrote:
Oh I can catch them easy enough in a trap, it's killing them I'm not sure about...cut off the head like a chicken, or what? Shocked

I break the chickens' necks. Would this work with squirrels? It's fast and they don't know it's coming.
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Can you describe how it's done?
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Ludi wrote:
Can you describe how it's done?

This is a pretty good description:
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We snap their necks. Cradle the chicken in your left arm with the head facing away and pointing downward. Place your palm over the top of the chicken's head and wrap your fingers around the neck just at the base of the skull. Push downward while twisting your wrist like you're making the chicken look up into the air. You'll hear a slight pop which is the neck breaking. I then pop it harder a second time to make sure, but they're usually out like a light the first time.

Slit the throat immediately and either hold the chicken upside down by the feet (messy pants...) or place it on the ground to bleed out as it flops.

(from this homesteading today thread) I sort of do it by feel, and believe it or not my jujitsu training helps a lot with this!

I have heard good things about "killing cones" for chickens, too.

It occurs to me that squirrels sometimes carry diseases, so you'd want to avoid getting bitten when handling them.

Moderator should probably move this to the chickens thread.
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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2005 3:11 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Thank you, that's very helpful. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2005 6:25 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Ludi wrote:
I have a squirrel trap, so I might try eating squirrel one of these days soon. I need to figure out an efficient way of killing the little guys without a gun. Any suggestions would be appreciated.


Squirrels can be . . . feisty. At least. It'd take double pairs of thick gloves before I tried any hands-on manipulation of live squirrels.

Drowning?
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OldSprocket wrote:
Squirrels can be . . . feisty. At least. It'd take double pairs of thick gloves before I tried any hands-on manipulation of live squirrels.

Drowning?

How about a loop of wire or rope on the end of a stick, like what cops use to handle rabid or dangerous animals? You could hold it with that while you drown it. I used to use a similar contraption to remove opossums from my chicken coop (we didn't kill them).
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 10:25 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

i made another 18 sq feet of garden space by demolishing my ugly
front yard planter

i have made a 3' by 6' frame to replace it, using sq.ft. gardening techniques

im planting pole beans, bush beans, yellow beans, 3 types of lettuce, snap peas and carrots

i also have some 6" tomato plants that were a gift and ill fill the rest with herbs and edible flowers
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 10:30 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I like snapping the necks better, drowning is too prolonged etc. I will add though that if you tie the feet together you can hang the chickens by the feet off a nail to bleed out instead of the messy flopping around. Shocked Laughing
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