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PenultimateManStanding Expert


Joined: Nov 28, 2004 Posts: 12426 Location: Neither Here Nor There
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 4:55 pm Post subject: Dreams |
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| Here's a totally off-topic issue that hasn't been touched here as far as I know. Things haven't gotten real bad yet and we still have our lives to live, right? I have always found dreams to be endlessly fascinating, so here are a few of mine and one from someone else for which I offered an interpretation. Dream 1: I have returned to my old High School as an adult. There are a couple of nerdy kids, one boy and one girl, trapped inside a big wire cage for which I have the key. I go to let them out and as I turn the key, the kids in their utter rush to escape push on the door and break the key. Dream 2: The big baseball stadium has been replaced with several little baseball parks. The athletes with their bats keep knocking every pitch over the stands and out of the stadium indicating that the parks are too small. Dream 3: I am riding home from elementary school as a little kid riding on a Harley Davidson motorcycle. I'm riding the back way behind the school which leads to a deep ravine where I get off the bike to walk through the ravine to get home and have a bowl or three of cocoa crispies. There is water flowing through the ravine. In the water are hundreds of little shrimp crickets. I am spellbound and delighted by these little creatures as I tip toe across the ravine. I come to the opposite bank and wasps fly out of a hole in the bank and I wake up in a fright. Yes, its the royal road to the unconscious. Here's the dream told to me by someone I work with: he sees the letters 'amnokave' written on the wall. He asked me what it means. My theory was that amnokave is 'amniotic cave' with 'i' and 'tic' removed. The 'I' is the conscious awake self and the 'tic' is hightened nervous activity that comes with being awake. He was telling himself not to wake up yet but sleep more instead. |
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PenultimateManStanding Expert


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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Fair enough, that's a sensible approach. There's obviously no telling for sure about these things. I read Freud's Interpretation Of Dreams and found it to be compelling, myself. Dreams are a phenomenon of the psyche and so I figure they mean something. |
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PenultimateManStanding Expert


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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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PMS that's fine. I did find some of Freud's writings to be murky and unconvicing. The Interpretation Of Dreams book, however and several others were brilliant and I think he made some genuine, valuable discoveries. Jung is good to read too, though a bit on the mystical side. There was a thread in this forum a while ago where people were classifying themselves based upon Jung's theory of the four basic human pscychic components: intuition, emotion, sensuality, and intellect. If I remember it correctly, Jung was saying people tend to show a couple of these things in their makeup while leaving the others undeveloped. Example: new age, left leaning people are more intuitive and sensual while conservative people tend to be emotional and intellectual. Jung's point was that all four of these things need to be developed to be a fully realized person. |
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BabyPeanut Fusion


Joined: Aug 17, 2004 Posts: 3541 Location: 39° 39' N 77° 77' W or thereabouts
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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amnokave is an anagram for demoniak
amnocave is an anagram for demoniac |
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BabyPeanut Fusion


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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| BabyPeanut wrote: | amnokave is an anagram for demoniak
amnocave is an anagram for demoniac |
well they're not. but it sounded spooky  |
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PenultimateManStanding Expert


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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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| BabyPeanut wrote: | | BabyPeanut wrote: | amnokave is an anagram for demoniak
amnocave is an anagram for demoniac |
well they're not. but it sounded spooky  | BP, you definately do post too much Its OK with me, though. |
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PenultimateManStanding Expert


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Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| MikeB wrote: |
When I have a weird dream now, I don't bother fretting over "interpretation": I just enjoy it. Or forget it. | Interpreting dreams is part of the enjoyment of them, provided of course that you aren't afraid of whatever you may discover about your inner self. The lack of interest in this topic disappoints me, but oh well. Most people, I think, find this subject to be daunting and would rather avert their eyes. My ex-sister-in-law thinks that the unconscious mind is where the Devil dwells. Of course, we all know that the Devil dwells in Cyprus.  |
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PenultimateManStanding Expert


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Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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| MikeB wrote: |
I'm a former lit. student (now a lit. prof) who doesn't like lit. much anymore. "Interpretation" can be such a joke... | That's the problem with academic study of literature. It isn't meant to be studied, it is meant to be enjoyed. Didn't you once enjoy reading Tom Jones? or Gulliver's Travels? I remember in High School reading Romeo and Juliet and being bored by it while I was off reading Ayn Rand and J. R. R. Tolkein with rapt enjoyment and fascination. I've since learned to enjoy Shakespear when it wasn't for some fool class. Now as far as Freud goes, you say you are a literature Professor and you don't feel smart enough to read Freud? This doesn't compute. Freud was one of the most brilliant minds ever. His work on interpreting dreams was not a parlour game. I say it again, he was onto something quite real. It was proven by his own life. He was riddled with debilitating neuroses before he embarked on an intuition about treatment for mental sickness. I won't go into all the details here, but he cured himself (somewhat) with his insights. Dreams do have meaning as does literature and you ought to try and find a way back to belief in your own field. |
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PenultimateManStanding Expert


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Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| MikeB wrote: | | Pen...ing It's fun to teach. I just don't go out of my way to read novels anymore. I'd prefer to play fiddle. | You any good on the fiddle? That's a worth while persuit. Sure the whole Freudian movement of the last century is defunct. But it wasn't because of Freud, it was because people are generally wack jobs who wouldn't know the truth if it bit them on the ass. I stand behind Freud and I have never been to see a psychotherapist. Who needs that when you can go to the master at any public library? I know truth when I see it! And what about you teaching something you don't give a crap about? |
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PenultimateManStanding Expert


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Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| MikeB wrote: | Penman:
| Quote: | | And what about you teaching something you don't give a crap about? |
People do it all the time... that's the mark of a professional, I think, to make something "tired" seem new to students. But I keep my interest alive by pursuing some new question, and lately it has been studying the development of literature in evolutionary terms. Like, did you know the history of the bible follows an evolutionary pattern? It's complicated and unrelated to Peak Oil, so I'll stop there. | Yeah, I guess you're right. Post your thoughts here or send it to me in a PM. I'd like to hear about this 'evolution' of literature idea. And you didn't answer my question about literature you once enjoyed. |
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PenultimateManStanding Expert


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Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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OK, you're alright by me my friend. Faulkner, Shakespeare, bless the creative writers. I'm watching The Gangs of New York right now and find it marvelous. I actually logged out of the movie to hear you! I just wish that smallpoxgirl would respond.
Quote from The Gangs Of New York: you can always hire one half of the poor to kill the other half. |
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RIPSmithianEconomics Heavy Crude


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Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 1:59 am Post subject: |
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| My dreams are pretty disturbing. Last night I was in New York again and it was empty except for pets and buses. |
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PenultimateManStanding Expert


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Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 6:48 am Post subject: |
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| Were the pets driving the buses? Freud teaches that little inconspicuous aspects of dreams will lead to bigger meanings when you free-associate them. |
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katkinkate Light Sweet Crude


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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 3:30 am Post subject: |
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[quote="PenultimateManStanding"].... Dreams are a phenomenon of the psyche and so I figure they mean something.[/quote]
My understanding of dreams are that they come from your psyche and the one best qualified to 'interpret' them is yourself. The images mean more to you in their dream context than anyone else and no-one else can really say what meaning your mind attaches to them. _________________ Kind regards, Katkinkate
"The ultimate goal of farming is not the growing of crops,
but the cultivation and perfection of human beings."
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PenultimateManStanding Expert


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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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| katkinkate - that's a cute user name, I like it. I agree with your point but would add that I think Freud made a very good study of the issue and reading his Interpretation of Dreams provides one with good tools to look into the meaning of one's own dreams. MikeB brought up the issue of Freud debunked. I think it was mainly the therapeutic aspects which got debunked. I, for one would not go in for any transference even if I could. I had only one father and he died a long time ago. |
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