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We've hit "peak oil"; now comes permanent price volatility

Unread postby Graeme » Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:45 pm

We've hit "peak oil"; now comes permanent price volatility

Since 2005, the global production of oil has remained relatively flat, peaking in 2008 and declining since, even as demand for petroleum has continued to increase. The result has been wild fluctuations in the price of oil as small changes in demand set off large shocks in the system.

In today's issue of Nature, two authors (the University of Washington's James Murray and Oxford's David King) argue that this sort of volatility will be all we can expect from here on out—and we're likely to face it with other fossil fuels, as well.

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The notion of peak oil is a fairly simple one: oil is a finite resource and, at some point, we simply won't be able to extract as much as we had previously. There really is no getting around that limit for any finite resource. The issue that has made peak oil contentious, however, is the debate over when we might actually hit it. Murray and King are not the first to conclude that, even as the arguments were still going on, we had already passed oil's peak. Even though prices have gone up by about 15 percent per year since 2005, production has been largely flat.

The strongest argument against this being a real peak is the increasing volume of petroleum reserves reported by many countries. Even assuming those estimates were reliable (which the authors aren't entirely certain about), these reserves have clearly not enabled increased production. In the US, for example, production as a percentage of total reserves has dropped from nine percent to six percent over the last three decades.

"We are not running out of oil," the authors argue, "but we are running out of oil that can be produced easily and cheaply." This creates significant delays before any of the new reserves can be tapped, and it limits the amount of oil that can be economically extracted from them.


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Re: We've hit "peak oil"; now comes permanent price volatili

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:53 pm

A talking head piece stating no more than the obvious. I don't have a degree in BS but I have predicted the band better than anyone else I am aware of. Call it instability or 'new normal' prices are forced now to operate in the band I have nominated the last 2 years, and I am pretty sure it will again this year. To my eye that band represents a form of stability to folks who buy their oil by the multi tanker load, even though it looks crap when we go fill up most of the time. There are mega profits to be made in this instability.
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Unread postby Graeme » Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:15 pm

What is interesting is that peak oil is again mentioned in the prestigious scientific journal Nature. "Making money" from fossil fuels is a gross oversimplification. Investors may start to think twice about where to invest their money. Will there be a shift away from fossil fuels?

Fossil fuels are sub-prime assets, Bank of England governor warned

The huge reserves of coal, oil and gas held by companies listed in the City of London are "sub-prime" assets posing a systemic risk to economic stability, a high-profile coalition of investors, politicians and scientists has warned Bank of England's governor, Sir Mervyn King.

In an open letter on Thursday, they tell King that the global drive to reduce carbon emissions could mean billions of pounds of fossil fuel reserves will rapidly lose value and cause a "major problem" for institutional investors and pension funds.

At the most recent UN climate change summit in December, 194 of the world's nations agreed to enact legally binding curbs on greenhouse gas emissions within three years to limit global warming to 2C. But meeting this limit would mean just 20% of existing fossil fuel reserves could be burned, according to recent research.

"These high-carbon assets pose significant strategic challenges for the future prosperity of Britain that just can't be ignored," said investment manager James Cameron, who is a member of the prime minister's business advisory group. "Investors continue to pour cash into unsustainable assets without understanding the risks associated with these investments, such as climate change, local pollution, fossil fuel price volatility, political risk and catastrophes such as Deepwater Horizon."

The letter is also signed by the government's former chief scientific adviser Sir David King, Zac Goldsmith MP, former environment minister John Gummer and 17 others. It urges action to investigate the risk of the "carbon bubble".


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Unread postby SeaGypsy » Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:58 pm

Graeme wrote:What is interesting is that peak oil is again mentioned in the prestigious scientific journal Nature. "Making money" from fossil fuels is a gross oversimplification. Investors may start to think twice about where to invest their money. Will there be a shift away from fossil fuels?

Fossil fuels are sub-prime assets, Bank of England governor warned

The huge reserves of coal, oil and gas held by companies listed in the City of London are "sub-prime" assets posing a systemic risk to economic stability, a high-profile coalition of investors, politicians and scientists has warned Bank of England's governor, Sir Mervyn King.

In an open letter on Thursday, they tell King that the global drive to reduce carbon emissions could mean billions of pounds of fossil fuel reserves will rapidly lose value and cause a "major problem" for institutional investors and pension funds.

At the most recent UN climate change summit in December, 194 of the world's nations agreed to enact legally binding curbs on greenhouse gas emissions within three years to limit global warming to 2C. But meeting this limit would mean just 20% of existing fossil fuel reserves could be burned, according to recent research.

"These high-carbon assets pose significant strategic challenges for the future prosperity of Britain that just can't be ignored," said investment manager James Cameron, who is a member of the prime minister's business advisory group. "Investors continue to pour cash into unsustainable assets without understanding the risks associated with these investments, such as climate change, local pollution, fossil fuel price volatility, political risk and catastrophes such as Deepwater Horizon."

Conclusion...
......... "carbon bubble".


Only partly correct. They don't like it because they are stuck with almost fixed reserves and they have outbid themselves in some nationalistic sentiment. This shows the folly of ELM inspired nationalization of assets in this class. On the other hand the same resource base gives something to play with at the casino.
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Unread postby Graeme » Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:37 pm

It looks like the shift in investment to renewables is under way.

Are We On Track To Stop Climate Change?

Not every problem can be solved by throwing more money at it, but climate change is one of them. Simply investing enough money in clean energy – fast enough – will in fact stave off the worst of climate change, because reducing carbon dioxide emissions is really as simple as building enough wind farms and solar farms and other non-polluting sources for our energy.


Here is how that global $500 billion each year compares with our recent annual investments since that pre-Copenhagen calculation.

In 2010, the world invested $187 billion in building renewable power sources, less than half the amount needed. But it was more than the dirty energy investment that year at only $157 billion in new fossil energy sources, according to Bloomberg New Energy Finance, marking the first year where we had a higher level of investment in renewable energy than in dirty energy. So the ratio switched, with a focus on the right kind of energy to do the job.

Then in 2011, the increase in investment continued to grow, bolting to $260 billion as Pete Danko noted here in a story about the recent Bloomberg news that – at least in 2011 – the U.S. actually outspent China in renewable investment, with $55.9 billion to China’s $47.4 billion, in the last of the Recovery Act spending; a one time push for clean energy that rivaled the Manhattan Project.


To get more than halfway to the $500 billion investment target within just the first two years of really trying, even with a global economic downtown that echoed the Great Depression, is evidence that we could get there. The scale-up needed is not something that is completely out of reach.


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Re: We've hit "peak oil"; now comes permanent price volatili

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:54 pm

No mention of redundancy issues or the fact that although China was joust beaten on new project volume by the USA it is still a kitten by comparison, with about 20% the market size.
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Unread postby Graeme » Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:06 pm

Can I focus on investment for a moment? The trend for investment in renewables is undoubtedly upward.

Even according to BP, the contribution of fossil fuels to primary energy growth is projected to fall from 83% (1990-2010) to 64% (2010-2030). It follows that investment in fossil fuels should also fall. The rate of decline in investment in FF (and rise in investment in RE) remains to be seen. According to the World Energy Council, this investment and energy policy will depend on government-to-government engagement and cooperation.
PS. Here is EU's Energy Roadmap.
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Unread postby Loki » Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:55 pm

Graeme, thanks for posting so many news stories, I appreciate it. While many are too corny for me, I do think you provide a valuable service here at PO.com. I'm not being a smart ass for once, I do hope you'll keep posting.

Your OP is interesting, yet another data point confirming peak oil, and from yet another serious source.

Not so sure re. your optimism about renewables being scaled up fast enough to prevent us from cooking the planet, though. Too many contraindications.
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Unread postby SeaGypsy » Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:57 am

Unless your crystal ball can tell you who is about to get a massive gov contract somewhere, likely illegal in most places you might like to invest/ better to buy oil at anything under about $85 and sell at anything over $110.
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Unread postby Graeme » Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:08 am

Loki, Thanks for your comment. I'm grateful for your compliment. Although I'm trying to be optimistic, the final outcome is far from clear.

As Seagypsy points out, oil investment is not going to go away any time soon. You can bet that the oil companies will try to hang on as long as possible before even they are forced to reinvest in a new energy paradigm.
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Unread postby GoIllini » Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:18 am

SeaGypsy wrote:Unless your crystal ball can tell you who is about to get a massive gov contract somewhere, likely illegal in most places you might like to invest/ better to buy oil at anything under about $85 and sell at anything over $110.

WTI or Brent?
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Re: We've hit "peak oil"; now comes permanent price volatili

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:05 pm

Graeme wrote:As Seagypsy points out, oil investment is not going to go away any time soon. You can bet that the oil companies will try to hang on as long as possible before even they are forced to reinvest in a new energy paradigm.


Ummm? These are the biggest companies in the world we are talking about. They have the biggest resource base and they dominate alternative energy system production already. Their industry is not about to go away. Notice they all call themselves 'energy companies' nowadays. It's a bit of a catch 22. We need oil. We need alternatives to oil. The best placed to produce alternatives are the oil companies, who must keep producing oil to fund forays into alternative tech.
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Unread postby Graeme » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:37 pm

I was thinking about this last night. My only suggestion that will allow us to "move on" from fossil energy is that it will become uneconomic to use it after grid parity is reached during the next 5-20 years (search this site for "grid parity" to see the numerous threads on this topic and likely time frames).
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Unread postby SeaGypsy » Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:30 pm

There is still a very long way to go.
Let's say profitability falls near enough to zero at $50 odd BB in the USA, $90 odd in Europe, over $110 in Asia. The 'new' oil being found/ developed has a cost price of roughly $70. As this becomes the benchmark cost, remaining producers are forced to sell at the higher price. This is basically why I have said repeatedly oil will never go under the late $70's ever again for any length of time. So what does all this mean?

a/ The USA must not just compete economicly, but in terms of Per Capita efficiency.
It must get a lot more, like about double, the currrent productivity per barrel.
If it doesn't do this, and fast, it has no chance of escaping compounding debt. Instead it looks like becoming a 3rd world country, selling oil from shale/ coal/ GTL etc. to Chindia.

b/ In order for alternative technology to replace oil/ oil substitutes, return times must come way down. Waiting 15 years for a system to pay for it's primary installation, before making a cracker, does not stack up next to hydrocarbon driven production. The current system is clearly not designed for this kind of forward planning.

c/ Without legislation, the market will not sort out a or b. No government of any importance has an election cycle long enough to even begin to envisage Laws to encompass transition to low/ no growth/ stable state; let alone an actual workable 15 to 30 year plan.
This in contrast to the Chinese, who have a long tradition of planning in 5's. 5 years is the short plan. 50 is the main plan and 500 is the overall vision of direction. With a one party system (whatever any of us plebs think of this), there is a huge advantage to forward planning and follow through.

Left to business, we will end up in a massive dieoff situation. This is the best thing in the long run for the rest of the species on this planet. It is equally the stupidest thing in terms of continuing to appoint 'leaders' in systems designed to fail to process long term socially responsible planning. There needs to be a legislative backbone to transition, but there isn't and the system is not going to allow one to emerge.
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Unread postby SeaGypsy » Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:42 pm

GoIllini wrote:
SeaGypsy wrote:Unless your crystal ball can tell you who is about to get a massive gov contract somewhere, likely illegal in most places you might like to invest/ better to buy oil at anything under about $85 and sell at anything over $110.

WTI or Brent?

If you check the Oil Price Challenge, this year we have a Brent and WTI forecast threads.
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