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Energy in the real world
Hydrocarbon AlternativesSolar and Wind are not renewable. The energy from solar and from wind is available but not renewable. An oak tree is renewable. A horse is renewable. They reproduce themselves.

But, and a very important but, the human made equipment used to capture solar energy or wind energy is not renewable. In fact, there is considerable fossil fuel energy embedded in this equipment. The glazing on a solar collector of any kind – solar thermal water, solar thermal air, and solar electric – requires energy to manufacture. Aluminum comes from bauxite. It takes considerable energy to refine the bauxite. When I was fourteen, I worked loading trucks in an aluminum extrusion plant. The ingots of aluminum would be heated, pushed through a die to shape, then cut and put on carts. We would take these carts and move them into a small room heated to around 400 degrees F where they were baked. Because this was Florida, we would be fairly dripping with sweat when we would go into the room to remove the cart. By the end of the day, our shirts were caked with our own salt.


Copper also requires considerable energy to process. I saw a documentary on the History Channel show “Modern Miracles” that followed the mining of copper and the production of products. Mining, refining with both energy and chemicals, drawing the wire, and winding the wire goes into making both alternators for wind machines and motors for solar. There are unintended consequences to the manufacture of solar and wind equipment; including serious air and water pollution, release of deadly chemicals into the environment as well as misuse of humans in mining and processing applications. Besides these unintended consequences, which are critical to a future humane and livable world, there is an accounting method that is important to making energy choices.

There is an important accounting system connected to energy decisions. Any system must give more energy than it takes to create/generate. This accounting system is Energy Invested on Energy Returned (EroEI). When it costs more to pull oil from the ground than we get back, then it is over for that well. On any technology, this has to be a main consideration. Many have heard that it takes as much energy to make ethanol as it provides. This makes it a dead end street.

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Posted on Friday, January 02 @ 06:19:22 PST by Leanan
 
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Re: Energy in the real world (Score: 1)
by bcourtney on Monday, January 12 @ 09:15:49 PST
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While you do make many valid points, you overlooked one considerable advantage to the collection of non-fossil fuels such as solar and wind. Aluminum collection devices, such as turbines and solar troughs and frames, can be manufactured using remelt processes without any discernible loss to the metal’s performance characteristics.

Most aluminum in use today contains some percentage of recycled materials, taken from post-consumer waste, manufacturing scrap, production scrap or some combination thereof. It is common for aluminum solar arrays, for example, to incorporate as much as 80 percent remelted content. Remelting is efficient, using just 5 percent of the energy required to produce the primary aluminum.

Further, at the end of life all aluminum materials can once again be fully reclaimed and remelted in a cost efficient manner.
 
Using remelt makes aluminum significantly more energy and cost efficient than virtually any other competitive materials used in these applications.

Allan Bennett,
Hydro Aluminum Extrusions America