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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 5:20 am    Post subject: Thoughts of a suburban mother Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

So I discovered the Peak Oil issue about 4-5 months ago. Freaky. I don't know if I'm posting in the right forum here. This is my first time on the website.

The Peak Oil issue has, it seems, been simmering around the fringes of Western society for quite a few years now. Incredibly, it is still only simmering, and making only gradual inroads into the mentalities of suburban middle class Western people. I say incredibly because you would think that such an important and potentially life-changing issue would be given the time of day by any intelligent person. But it isn't so.

People don't want to think about the Peak Oil issue, I've discovered. The changes implied simply by acknowledging the problem entail such vast and frightening changes to our cherished way of life that it seems 95% of people are literally burying their heads in the sand and hoping the politicians and scientists will make it go away.

I cannot get over the foolishness of this attitude but it seems it is likely to continue. The Sydney Morning Herald can publish data (and did, about a year ago I believe) stating that the ecological footprint of Sydney meant that if every person in the world lived like a Sydney-sider it would take around 12 planets to sustain us. Yet no-one changes a thing. Perhaps people used less plastic bags and tried to get more conscientious about their recycling efforts.

Big effing whoop.

For myself, I struggle with the whole issue. To me the central problem is that for reasons I have no intention of delving into here, reasons most likely stemming from the heart of capitalism, our society is structured in such a way that flings each person onto their own solitary resources and erodes community. We are all, to use a terribly pop-journalistic sounding phrase, too busy keeping up with the Joneses to realise we should be building communities with the Joneses.

(I have no community to help me raise my two babies and so I save all the personal energy and sanity I can by belting the hell out of my dishwasher, tumbledryer, electric blankets, TV and bathtub. Fabulous. Sooooo good for the environment, to be doing that.)

Keeping up with the Joneses is, as we all know, a terribly materialistic and consumeristic way to live, and no good-hearted, thinking, modern person of conscience would seriously be that shallow. But DING, you're wrong. We all are. Our whole mentality, our idea of aesthetics and living standards, cleanliness, art, technology and beauty, is founded on such principles and we don't even realise it. BA-BOW, thank you for playing.

Just the fact that when you hear of a new kind of appliance, TV or car, you think 'Hmmm, that sounds great! I wonder how soon I could afford that!' rather than 'Oh, that's nice, but I don't need it.' It spells out that even the most well-meaning and good hearted regular person is innately consumerist.

(Jumping ahead far too quickly, and not spelling things out very well), it all makes me sick. The havoc I personally have wreaked on the environment through my irresponsible living, and the fact that I was brought up to not know any better and so were my parents, also makes me sick.

And now look at the mess we are in. I feel as if it is all going to come crashing down upon our heads. This slow, creeping illness of capitalism and consumerism is going to turn around and bite us all in the bum so hard that many of us won't survive the haemorrhage.

I want to survive. I am a survivor at heart, I believe. I'm vocal, and good and whingeing, and so some might think I'm a bit of a drama-queen wimp, but at heart, I do not give up without a damn good fight. I have guts. And dammit, I will survive, and make sure my family, and my little children survive, peak oil and whatever crisis looms beyond it.

The question is, how, and what to do about it now!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 6:08 am    Post subject: Re: Thoughts of a suburban mother Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Well said, and well written. I think the part that hit the nail on the head the hardest was the following....

wildsparrow wrote:
People don't want to think about the Peak Oil issue, I've discovered. The changes implied simply by acknowledging the problem entail such vast and frightening changes to our cherished way of life that it seems 95% of people are literally burying their heads in the sand and hoping the politicians and scientists will make it go away.


I've been following the issue of peak oil for a couple of years, and I still wish it would go away. I have yet to make all the changes in my lifestyle that I need to make to be ready, or at least to reduce my own little role in exacerabting the situation. Part of it is my hope that something, or someone, will save us. The rest is just laziness -- waiting until the crisis hits before making serious lifestyle changes. In that regard, I'm no better than the politicians I lambast for also not taking dramatic action.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:13 am    Post subject: Re: Thoughts of a suburban mother Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

wildsparrow wrote:
The Peak Oil issue has, it seems, been simmering around the fringes of Western society for quite a few years now.


Guess what? I learned the equivalent of "Peak Oil" in 1982 in a university course in Ohio called Geology and Human Affairs. The upshot...we will have problems commencing around the year 2000 if we don't begin investing in new energy means NOW (meaning 1982).

Freaking out yet?

I'm reminded of Condoleeza Rice: "Who knew they would fly highjacked planes into those buildings?"


P.S. You're v. articulate!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:25 am    Post subject: Re: Thoughts of a suburban mother Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I honestly don't know what to tell you other than to be happy that you have today. Live today as if it were your last, because the degradation of society may happen tomorrow or it may not happen for 20 years.

And killjoy is right, you are very articulate
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 8:18 am    Post subject: Re: Thoughts of a suburban mother Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

auctionmonster, thats what I don't get.

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I honestly don't know what to tell you other than to be happy that you have today. Live today as if it were your last, because the degradation of society may happen tomorrow or it may not happen for 20 years.


Our whole society is built on safety and carefulness (like any modern workplace, business activity or public centre) and don't take a chance if you don't have to, but with peakoil everyone is taking a BIG CHANCE, and they don't have to take this chance, they can change now and prevent this.

Whoever invented the phase "Live today as if it were your last" is a farking idiot, it has never been a helpful phase to give to someone in trouble, infact it mostly likely will make their problem worse no matter the situation. In the future I do not care if I'm happy or unhappy, I only care about survival, that is my only concern. I want to be the winner! Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 8:24 am    Post subject: Re: Thoughts of a suburban mother Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

dukat wrote:
I only care about survival, that is my only concern. I want to be the winner! Smile

We are all going to die eventually so you have already lost the game.
Sorry you are a looser Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 8:35 am    Post subject: Re: Thoughts of a suburban mother Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

HAHA, your little smiley, it's looking up to right, in human psychology, when someone does that they are lying. I'm not a loser, you are Razz
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 8:49 am    Post subject: Re: Thoughts of a suburban mother Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Dear Suburban Mother,

I think you need some helpful posts and not this meanding discussion.

Find a CSA farm in your area here:

http://wsare.usu.edu/pub/index.cfm?sub=csa

I will try to come back to this thread if I remember to do so. You can IM me on this board. Otherwise go to "prepare" section." Also, join the Running on empty2 list, Robert Waldrop of Oklahoma manages it. Find it on Yahoo and ask to join. When I'm home I'll post his e-mail address.

Don't worry, plenty of people are serious and preparing, and don't have much time for message boards. Most important, find or start a Peak Oil group in your area, seee www.postcarbon.org
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 9:02 am    Post subject: Re: Thoughts of a suburban mother Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

wildsparrow wrote:
The havoc I personally have wreaked on the environment through my irresponsible living, and the fact that I was brought up to not know any better and so were my parents, also makes me sick.

... The question is, how, and what to do about it now!


Hi Sparrow

There is a lot of flagellation along those lines around here. I have squandered more than my share of resources but what point is beating ones’ self over the head? I could accept the guilt for slavery, Indian massacres and the extinction of the wooly mammoth as well and still not be any better off.

I’d like to say I’m above all that consumer crap but in reality I’m just as greedy as the next guy. Having admitted that, we have decided to carry no debt. We were lucky enough to buy a place outright, which I know not everyone can do, however to accomplish that we had to move 1,500 miles from our family, friends and clients.

We also set out to make less money and from a variety of sources, sometimes I make $75/hr with a computer, sometimes I make $20/hr with a hammer, sometimes $7/hr on a tractor and hopefully something with a feed bucket and hoe.

I always recommend reading the Assessments and Plans thread and posting yours there as well – lots of good ideas.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 9:31 am    Post subject: Re: Thoughts of a suburban mother Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Pops wrote:
There is a lot of flagellation along those lines around here.
Ayuh. Pointless, aint it? What choice did I have, in the 70s, but borrow my father's Country Squire and drive around with friends like gas was water? Who was I, some prophet? Once I took geology in college, of course, that all changed... Forgive me, father, for I knew not what I was burning.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 11:08 am    Post subject: Re: Thoughts of a suburban mother Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

killJOY wrote:
Guess what? I learned the equivalent of "Peak Oil" in 1982 in a university course in Ohio called Geology and Human Affairs. The upshot...we will have problems commencing around the year 2000 if we don't begin investing in new energy means NOW (meaning 1982).


I had the same experience in college 1973-1974. The scientists have known and have been trying to educate people for half a century.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 11:23 am    Post subject: Re: Thoughts of a suburban mother Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Countless large fortunes have been built by spending small fortunes to persuade us to live exactly the way we do, and spending more small fortunes on our "leaders" to be cheerleaders and promoters of this lifestyle rather than the critics of it. Relatively speaking, pennies have been spent to make us aware of the concept of living in a low ecological footprint sustainable way.
There are no great fortunes to be made in educating the masses about sustainability or promoting voluntary simplicity as a way of life, so hardly anyone has heard of the idea.

Less than 2 years ago I was mostly concerning myself with what cars to buy, what home improvements to make, what vacations to take, and strategies to assure a fairly wealthy and comfortable retirement. Because I was a "well informed" consumer of main stream media and conservation was just some fringe downer hippie crap they talked about on NPR. But eventually my curiosity led me to some information that gave me a much clearer picture of the state of the world.

The point is the peak oil and evironmental situations are well below the radar of the masses and no one is spending the big media dollars to change that. Why should they, where's the return on investment in that?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 12:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Thoughts of a suburban mother Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

microhydro wrote:
I had the same experience in college 1973-1974.


where did you go to school?

It seems odd that I would learn such a profound thing at the University of Toledo, but I did. I dropped my geology major due to lack of mental capacity for mathematics, but I retained interest and took a few courses for non-majors.

In fact, my favorite professor, Craig Bond Hatfield, wrote a very early warning about peak oil. His article is what really set me afire, because I knew and respected the guy:

http://hubbert.mines.edu/news/Hatfield_97-4.pdf

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 12:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Thoughts of a suburban mother Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Welcome to Peak Oil Wildsparrow!

If you don't mind, I will be moving this thread to the Psychology forum now. (It fits better there).

It's a very complex problem with some difficult solutions.

The worst part about Peak Oil is that we don't know the rate of production decline or the amount of oil left.

If you could tell me those two things, I could probably come up with a personal plan. But since we don't know (and won't know until it happens) we are forced to guess.

Most of this site is dedicated to those guessing games.

The best preperation is getting out of debt, decreasing one's car dependence, and getting ready mentally.

The hardest part for many people is finally accepting the very real possibilities that stem from Peak Oil. We may have an economic crash. We could have more wars over the remaining oil.

What we all must do is overcome our own fears and learn to accept whatever happens. Not everyone can do this. Many members of this site still refuse to grasp the basic concepts.
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