Joined: Feb 25, 2005 Posts: 772 Location: Luton, England
Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 3:23 pm Post subject: Other People
I went into London twice this week and it wasn't so much of an ordeal that it usually is but for the observations of other peoples behaviour.
I had to go and collect a computer to bring back and repair.
On the way in, I saw a man barge a young lady out of the way so he could board the tube first. I would have offered to help the woman but she just seemed used to it!
On the way back, carrying the computer, I got it caught in the gate where you put the ticket through. I bashed my nose against it, which although was embarrassing, it hurt a lot. A guy behind me just pushed at me, as if I was holding him up on purpose. I then had to sit down on the floor.
Along with watching all the escalators and the Lazy race that use them, the electric doors, the illuminated arrival/departure times.
The way we act when we have got all of this luxury. It makes me think we deserve everything we're gonna get. Screw us, we don't deserve compassion.
Joined: Sep 06, 2004 Posts: 5315 Location: Smalltown New Zealand
Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: Other People
An old joke about women's libbers:
Man holds door open for women.
Women says "I suppose you held that open because I'm a lady?"
Man replies "No, I held it open because I am a gentleman".
I think the turning point was the 80s with Thatcherism, greed-is-good and compulsory two-incomes to get by in the rat-race. _________________ "Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers." - Henry Louis Mencken
Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 3:40 pm Post subject: Re: Other People
It is just an example how limited our interactions have become..
Don't give up on the human race (yet) as much as her destiny seems deserved. We've come a long way after all and a lot of individual lives have been lived over the last 10.000 years.
Ever wondered why we always see things from the perspective of an individual in the middle of it all rather than from that of an outside "untouchable" observer?
Ever wondered about how your mother of father felt when at exactely the age where you are now?
Joined: Feb 25, 2005 Posts: 772 Location: Luton, England
Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 3:56 pm Post subject: Re: Other People
Cool picture
I think we should hold doors open for women, even though they sometimes say Fark off.
What I mean is the rabble culture, like when you try to get on an easyjet plane. They call numbers 1 - 30 and 90 people get up and crowd round the boarding terminal. No sense of each other. I'm all right jack.
Hate going to London, it is a chore because of the intensity of the 'otherness'. My sister knew someone who got mugged outside piccadilly, people everywhere but nobody helped.
Westminster station is just amazing though. I felt like I was in blade runner or something.
Joined: Dec 27, 2004 Posts: 12021 Location: zombie horde wonderland
Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 4:22 pm Post subject: Re: Other People
RedJake wrote:
I think we should hold doors open for women, even though they sometimes say Fark off.
What the hell? Do they really say that?
In my neck of the woods, usually the person at the door first will hold it open for the next person, but often men will stride ahead and get to the door first to hold it open if a woman is in front of them. I guess we're old-fashioned.... _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow..." - jboogy
Joined: Sep 06, 2004 Posts: 5315 Location: Smalltown New Zealand
Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 4:26 pm Post subject: Re: Other People
Ludi wrote:
RedJake wrote:
I think we should hold doors open for women, even though they sometimes say Fark off.
What the hell? Do they really say that?
In my neck of the woods, usually the person at the door first will hold it open for the next person, but often men will stride ahead and get to the door first to hold it open if a woman is in front of them. I guess we're old-fashioned....
Do you still lay your cloaks over puddles as well? _________________ "Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers." - Henry Louis Mencken
Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 5:40 pm Post subject: Re: Other People
rogerhb wrote:
An old joke about women's libbers:
Man holds door open for women.
Women says "I suppose you held that open because I'm a lady?"
Man replies "No, I held it open because I am a gentleman".
I think the turning point was the 80s with Thatcherism, greed-is-good and compulsory two-incomes to get by in the rat-race.
A Russian, a Texan and a New Yorker were all having dinner together at nice restaurant when the waiter arrived at the table and declared, "Excuse me, but we're all out of steak due to the shortage".
Joined: Jul 25, 2004 Posts: 681 Location: Hunter Valley, New South Wales, Australia
Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 8:10 pm Post subject: Re: Other People
Ludi wrote:
RedJake wrote:
I think we should hold doors open for women, even though they sometimes say Fark off.
What the hell? Do they really say that?
HECK, yes. In Australia, if you "hold a door open" for a girl (older women are OK, and actually like it), then you'll get sworn at;
"What the f##k's wrong with you? Y'think I'm a f##king cripple or something?" is the usual response.
ludi wrote:
In my neck of the woods, usually the person at the door first will hold it open for the next person, but often men will stride ahead and get to the door first to hold it open if a woman is in front of them. I guess we're old-fashioned....
Don't do that around here, or you'll cop it in the neck, and then she'll yank to door out of your hands and slam it in your face. Or ON your hand if it's in the way.
The Rules for dealing with Australian girls:
#Don't look at them (or you'll be up on charges of sexual harrassment);
#Don't speak to them (unless she speaks to you, first);
#Don't ever, EVER touch them, in any way for any reason.
Remember: you are a male, and therefore you're there to be hated, sworn at, bad-mouthed, belittled and humiliated and you should castrate yourself, publicly, with a rusty razor blade.
Think I'm kidding?
Well, there's something called a "decibel rule" in Australia - if a man and his wife - SORRY, my mistake - if a man and his spouse are arguing, and he raises his voice above normal conversational level - that's now spousal abuse, the man can be charged with domestic violence - and most likely convicted. Indeed, it's now compulsory to report such incidents and the Police MUST attend and must take the man away in handcuffs. NEVER the female, of course, don't be silly, she can scream her head off.
He'll go to jail, if convicted, because he deserves it because he was born with external genetalia. As one Australian Academic put it: "An innocent man, if convicted (of rape, domestic violence, etc), will find the experience (ie: getting raped in jail) will do him good."
If a woman is convicted of domestic violence, she'll get counselling and a fine.
From Warren Farrell's excellent book "The Myth Of Male Power", page 303, 2nd edition:
Item: A husband and wife in Australia were making love (or so he thought) and she asked him to stop. The following morning she called the Police and reported him as a rapist, claiming it took him 30 seconds to stop. He claims he stopped right away. He recieved four years in prison.
I wonder why soooo many Aussie guys are single....hmmm, it's a mystery to me.
Joined: Sep 12, 2005 Posts: 275 Location: Victoria, Australia
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:00 am Post subject: Re: Other People
ubercynicmeister wrote:
Think I'm kidding?
No, I don't think you're kidding, I just think you're overstating.
I live in Australia too, and I have NEVER seen the type of behaviour you're stating. I don't deny that there are some raging feminists out there, but I don't see them in the majority.
If that's what the situation is like in the Hunter Valley I suggest you move to a more moderate part of Australia where people have respect for each other.
Joined: Jan 04, 2005 Posts: 623 Location: Australia
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:37 am Post subject: Re: Other People
ubercynicmeister, either you live in a nasty place or you are letting preconceived notions affect your view. Or both. I've never been told to Fark off after holding a door open for a girl, or anything else you mention. But maybe its just my charms. _________________ "Production of useful work is limited by the laws of thermodynamics, but the production of useless work seems to be unlimited."
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:05 am Post subject: Re: Other People
....men owe women, at minimum, unqualified, impersonal courtesy and respect because they constitute that class of beautiful, feminime creatures who make men's existance in this world bearable, who give birth to and nurture and love our children . . . . . .not to mention that we (men) have failed in no small way to make the world a safe and secure place for them
Joined: Feb 25, 2005 Posts: 772 Location: Luton, England
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:34 am Post subject: Re: Other People
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they constitute that class of beautiful, feminime creatures
Well most maybe, not all
Good point though.
Courtesy should be for everyone. I would hold the door for someone older than me. I wouldn't slam a door shut in the face of someone younger but I expect courtesy off them purely on the basis that I am older and wiser.(I'm often sorely disappointed)
It doesn't matter if it is old fasioned, it is something that makes day to day existence pleasent.
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Do you still lay your cloaks over puddles as well?
And btw, I lost my cloak when I leant it to a beautiful damsel in distress that I was hoping to have sex with by being such a hero.
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 12:11 pm Post subject: Re: Other People
Ludi,
I may be wrong, but I think it's a southern thing. Southern (US) men - at least in smaller towns - are still chivalrous for the most part, and southern women expect to be treated like ladies. Southern belles, so to speak. I certainly do not expect a man to hold the door for me, but I do appreciate it when he does. And like RedJake, I believe in courtesy toward those older than I am. I do expect it from those younger. However, much like customer service, courtesy seems to be a dying phenomenon, at least in the US.
Kathy
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 12:45 pm Post subject: Re: Other People
CarlinsDarlin wrote:
Ludi,
I may be wrong, but I think it's a southern thing. Southern (US) men - at least in smaller towns - are still chivalrous for the most part, and southern women expect to be treated like ladies. Southern belles, so to speak. I certainly do not expect a man to hold the door for me, but I do appreciate it when he does. And like RedJake, I believe in courtesy toward those older than I am. I do expect it from those younger. However, much like customer service, courtesy seems to be a dying phenomenon, at least in the US.
Kathy
Quite right...
A southern thing.
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On the way in, I saw a man barge a young lady out of the way so he could board the tube first.
Try that among native Texans sometime & see what happens. _________________ "When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." - Stephen F Roberts.
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