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charliehelyes
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:11 am    Post subject: fuel protests planned in london Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30400-1316645,00.html
whoa top news story
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:26 am    Post subject: Re: fuel protests planned in london Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

diesel is like £1.30 here where i live
nearly 10/gallon
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:31 am    Post subject: Re: fuel protests planned in london Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

this will be another non-event, just like the one a couple of weeks ago.

a load of fat guys sitting in their trucks, burning diesel blaring their horns, saying

"something has gotta be done, i mean, its just too expensive"

"blah blah government blah tax blah foreigners blah loss of jobs"

followed by the endless soundbites of moronic motorists who all 'need' thier cars for some reason.

" i NEED my car because i live in Glasgow and commute to London on a a daily basis and its really hitting me hard"

"I am disabled (usually on the sick, not really disabled, stress is not a disability) i NEED my car to go to the shops"

My favourite new piece of legislation related to this is the ability for police to seize cars that are uninsured and crush them, which will be the first thing to go once fuel prices really kick in.

there are going to be many bewildered people in the next few years in the UK, to quote Lock Stock, "with that 'what's going on 'ere' look all over your Chevy Chase"


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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:41 am    Post subject: Re: fuel protests planned in london Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Why are gas prices so much higher in the UK?
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:53 am    Post subject: Re: fuel protests planned in london Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

allmeyer wrote:
Why are gas prices so much higher in the UK?


The British government has something called the fuel price escalator which equates to about 75% of the price of a litre of petrol and diesel.

which is why the uninformed are so pissed off, they see the gov't as targeting them for what they need to do on a daily basis, drive.

As I see it, and i really can't blame the government that much, british society has been built on cheap motoring. there are few local facilities outside of cities, and those that remain are closing. Tesco and the other supermarkets have shut many high streets by building large out of town stores.

People have the dream of owning a home in the country as long as they can drive whereever they need to go for free. this is clearly not sustainable. At least we are a small island and have an, although expensive, integrated public transport network.

It is going to get interesting
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:57 am    Post subject: Re: fuel protests planned in london Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

80% of the fuel price is taxes which may help the uk in times of a crises removing the taxes from fuel will alow the price to rise 5 times and still be the same price as it was before. However this will lead to massive deficit in goverment income, leading to a reduction in public services free healthcare might have to be removed or something as drastic to compensate.
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:00 am    Post subject: Re: fuel protests planned in london Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Fuel tax is one of the few bright spots of UK PO prepairedness. Our petrol prices have only gone up from about 90p to about 110p in the past year. We have been so used to high prices that its not really hurting all that much. That and projects like the Nottingham and Sheffield tram lines, the to be built CrossRiver tram from Camden to Brixton and the CrossRail are reall bright spots on an otherwise very gloomy picutre of lack of prepairedness.

Kudos to all those money grubbing chancellors and there sin tax on petrol.
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:01 am    Post subject: Re: fuel protests planned in london Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

What the truck drivers really need to do is to go on strike for about 30 days, and have the whole nation go hungry. And people who think driving is too expensive, they need to go on strike too, and see how well their employers get along without them.

The good folks of the UK really need to overthrow their idiotic government and start all over again, to tell you the truth. The sooner this happens, the sooner good ol' England will become the "green and pleasant land" it's meant to be...
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:03 am    Post subject: Re: fuel protests planned in london Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

charliehelyes wrote:
80% of the fuel price is taxes which may help the uk in times of a crises removing the taxes from fuel will alow the price to rise 5 times and still be the same price as it was before. However this will lead to massive deficit in goverment income, leading to a reduction in public services free healthcare might have to be removed or something as drastic to compensate.


I really hope that the government does not decide to remove the tax, it would be an even worse decision than privatising the Bank of England.

I dont have any figures on the amount of tax revenue that they get from fuel but if you were to ask the masses which they would rather have

a) cheaper petrol

b) the NHS

their answer would be

c) both, we pay for the NHS through NI contributions, cheaper petrol can be done by stopping giving money to foreigners etc etc etc.

truly boned
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: fuel protests planned in london Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Byron100 wrote:
The sooner this happens, the sooner good ol' England will become the "green and pleasant land" it's meant to be...


Already many of the "dark satanic mills" have been shipped abroad, especially to China!

Green and pleasant: So back to a rural society of 3 - 6 million people? That is just a 90-95% die-off. Ouch!
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 9:56 am    Post subject: Re: fuel protests planned in london Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

in the UK something like 50% of the cost of fuel is tax
possibly more
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 10:19 am    Post subject: Re: fuel protests planned in london Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

You guys in the Uk should join the Us in suing OPEC to force them to produce more oil.

And if that does not work I think we should sue the earth for not giving us more oil.
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 12:51 pm    Post subject: Re: fuel protests planned in london Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

If a litre of petrol cost 107.9p, it would be split in the following way...

Tax makes up 66.4p of the cost, or around $4.95 per gallon.

What people need to understand is that as energy prices rise, so does the cost of government, just like any other economic activity. If they sincerely want a reduced cost of motoring for themselves, they must campaign for small government also. Perhaps they would like no more debt taken on to bail out future bank failures? Perhaps they would like tax credits to be removed? Perhaps they would like welfare to be cut into commodity inflation? What would they choose to sacrifice, and how much risk would they like to run that the call would be made upon them and not another?

Answers on a placard.
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 5:55 pm    Post subject: Re: fuel protests planned in london Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Eli wrote:
You guys in the Uk should join the Us in suing OPEC to force them to produce more oil.

And if that does not work I think we should sue the earth for not giving us more oil.
Eventually the Saudis and the other weak little gulf states will be so rich, buying western banks and companies and living large that the only recourse will be armed robbery on a massive scale.

The plans were made over 30 years ago, with landing sites for paras and marines.
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 6:50 pm    Post subject: Re: fuel protests planned in london Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

IslandCrow wrote:
Byron100 wrote:
The sooner this happens, the sooner good ol' England will become the "green and pleasant land" it's meant to be...


Already many of the "dark satanic mills" have been shipped abroad, especially to China!

Green and pleasant: So back to a rural society of 3 - 6 million people? That is just a 90-95% die-off. Ouch!


Ideal, provided you, your family and friends are amongst the lucky 5-10%.

There are too many of us, we are not sustainable. I have been reading how England (not the UK) would not be capable of feeding itself without imports; there are 9 million too many of us! Yikes, let's hope trade is possible post collapse .... and we have something to trade.
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