How then, do we move backwards? How does a society, with most of the people having no clue of future events, move from being dependent on a vast and intertwined network of goods and services produced by the indigenous people of whereever, to a local resource and renewable energy based society, and do so in the timeframe available (20-30 years using the most liberal extimates, 10-20 with resonable estimates, 5-10 with worst case scenarios), all the while prices on everything increasing, world politics getting more militaristic, governments continuously reducing civil liberties, shortages of goods on the market and weather patterns resembling bad Hollywood movies?
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:55 am Post subject: Remakes: The Longest Yard
Anybody seen both the remake and the original Longest Yard flick? I saw the remake and gagged. Flippant, silly crap. Played it up for lame jokes without a shred of the original's drama or even a semblance of realism. The original with Burt Reynolds had comedy and dramatic tension. Plus, the Warden's secretary, beehive hair notwithstanding, was at least hot (Bernadette Peters). No, Hollywood is crap city nowadays. Peak Cinema, 1971, just like oil.
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:51 am Post subject: Re: Remakes: The Longest Yard
Hollywood's idea for a good movie "just put Adam Sandler in it!"
Hollywood has yet to realize that Adam Sandler blows goats by the dozen.
I really think the quality of humor has gone down, "Blazing Saddles" now that was a funny movie, so many great lines. Compare that to the "Water Boy", me and my wife walked out of that one, the quality of jokes in that movie is just pitiful.
Friggin schlocky crap. I just read somewhere that they are going to make Oceans 13, that is what I want to do go and pay 10 bucks to watch a bunch of over paid pricks make a third rate movie in exotic locals. Ok, yeah I am bitter, so what, Angelina Jolie probably looks like hell in the morning. I just don't find her all that attractive, it looks like it takes a hell of a lot of makeup and primping to make her look good, your mileage may very however.
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 10:40 am Post subject: Re: Remakes: The Longest Yard
I've not seen the longest yard and will look out for the original one to watch first.
Angelina Jolie is an absolute honey but I guess you can do a lot with makeup and cameras, but I've never noticed her lookin bad. Big feet though apparently.
There has to be some holywood movie that was good and made in my lifetime, 1974 onwards! Surely.
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:24 am Post subject: Re: Remakes: The Longest Yard
Well yes obviously there have been some great movies made since 1974. But overall the quality of movies is really terrible and getting worse, but it has always been thus.
Right now Hollywood is in panic mode because of falling box office sales. With DVDs and people getting home theaters nobody wants to go see the crap they put out. Also I think the internet is hurtful to the movies, you can instantly find info about movies that come out that is not controlled by the Hwood machine and lets you know that the "best picture of the year" is actually a terd.
I think with declining sales they are trying to make more and more sure winners and the more they do that the more they try to stick with worked in the past, but the more they stick with what worked in the past the more formulaic the pictures become.
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:30 am Post subject: Re: Remakes: The Longest Yard
RedJake wrote:
I've not seen the longest yard and will look out for the original one to watch first.
There has to be some holywood movie that was good and made in my lifetime, 1974 onwards! Surely.
The original Longest Yard flick wasn't an 'A' type classic in the way Cool Hand Luke was, but it was good and a hell of alot better than this tripe remake. Oh, and sure there's been plenty of good stuff done since '74, just like the US is still pumping oil from those old played-out fields! Shawshank, I liked that one.
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:35 am Post subject: Re: Remakes: The Longest Yard
My list of bad remakes:Bewitched, Stepford wives, Assault on Precint 13
So-So remakes-Planet of the Apes, Batman Begins, War of the Worlds, The Alamo(flame me but I liked it)
Proof of life and originality post 1971: Mystic River, Band of Brothers, The Right Stuff, Something about Mary, Big Lebowski, A beautiful mind, Ran, to many to list
I have Punishment Park shipping out today from Netflix. _________________ In other words, it's a huge sh*t sandwich, and we're all gonna have to take a bite.-from Full Metal Jacket
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:07 pm Post subject: Re: Remakes: The Longest Yard
PrairieMule wrote:
My list of bad remakes:Bewitched, Stepford wives, Assault on Precint 13
So-So remakes-Planet of the Apes, Batman Begins, War of the Worlds, The Alamo(flame me but I liked it)
Proof of life and originality post 1971: Mystic River, Band of Brothers, The Right Stuff, Something about Mary, Big Lebowski, A beautiful mind, Ran, to many to list
I have Punishment Park shipping out today from Netflix.
I will never see another Batman movie or another Dracula movie, ever, period. I'm not so keen on Vietnam flicks, either, after a whole bunch of them jaded me to the genre. War movies in general are boring and repetitive. I like your list of good flicks, Band of Brothers being the only one I haven't seen. Seeing as how I don't like war stuff anymore, I don't know, should I see it? When it comes to War, I prefer to read about it and get "the big picture", not the in the trenches stuff. Nothing against that, but it's sort of seen one you've seen 'em all. This Punishment Park has 1 and a half stars at Blockbuster online. Plot sounds sort of lame, mule. Let me know if you like it, though.
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:28 pm Post subject: Re: Remakes: The Longest Yard
Masterpiece films like The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, The Blue Angel, and All Quiet on the Western Front have inspired remakes. Why? I don't know. What kind of moron could suffer from the delusion these films could be redone?
King Kong? Really? How about remakes of Gone With the Wind or The Wizard of Oz. Its all about keeping people in the industry employed.
Anyone want to invest in a remake of Fellini Satyricon?
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:40 pm Post subject: Re: Remakes: The Longest Yard
oowolf wrote:
Masterpiece films like The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, The Blue Angel, and All Quiet on the Western Front have inspired remakes. Why? I don't know. What kind of moron could suffer from the delusion these films could be redone?
King Kong? Really? How about remakes of Gone With the Wind or The Wizard of Oz. Its all about keeping people in the industry employed.
Anyone want to invest in a remake of Fellini Satyricon?
Have to agree on Wizard of Oz, but King Kong was done beautifully by Peter Jackson. A new wrinkle on the Kong character, new ideas well executed. These others that you mention, got to get them on my list. I've never actually watched Gone With The Wind. Hope it's good.
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: Remakes: The Longest Yard
Films that simply cry out for a redo are:
Saving Private Ryan
with the ubiquitos Orlando Bloom in Tom hanks' role
The Man Who Would Be King
with Ashton Kucher and Seth Green
Last Tango in Paris
with Alec Baldwin and Brittney Murphy _________________ Kiss Hank's Ass And He Will Give You a Million Dollars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDp7pkEcJVQ
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:27 pm Post subject: Re: Remakes: The Longest Yard
Pen you might like Band of Brothers, I think it kicked Saving Private Ryan's ass. Spielberg gets too hoke some times.
Band of brothers is still brutal but it gives a better account of what leadership is all about and what it is like to be a soldier. I like it too because of it's glorified historic nature, you follow guys through all their missions from basic all the way to the end of the war there are like ten 45min to an hour episodes.
Gone with the wind is good if you are a chick, it is a long soap opera but if you liked Breakfast at Tiffany's you will just love it!
Hollywood has major problems right now there leading men are flaking out. Tom Cruise has shown the world what a complete weirdo he really is and Brad Pitt even though the chicks still think he is dreamy has pissed off a lot of women by dumping Jen Aniston for that tramp Angelina Jolie.
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:48 pm Post subject: Re: Remakes: The Longest Yard
PenultimateManStanding wrote:
No, Hollywood is crap city nowadays. Peak Cinema, 1971, just like oil.
1971? aw, come on...that is pushing it a little, ja'?
bladerunner 82
they live 88
grumpy old men 93
amadeus 84
scent of a woman 92
grumpier old men 95
no way out 87
schindler's list 93
O Brother, Where Art Thou? 2000
Road to Perdition 2002
Passion of the Christ 2004
Walk the Line 2005
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:27 pm Post subject: Re: Remakes: The Longest Yard
I basically agree that Hollywood is just cloning crap these days, and particularly hate remakes ("The flight of the Phoenix" anyone? I didn't even had to watch the remake to know it was crap - the original one is simply great).
But then it's all worth it for the occasional gem that's among this crap, like "American beauty" or "Magnolia". Many others already have been mentioned.
I even like some silly Adam Sandler type of comedy once in a while, for example "The 40 year old virgin" was just hilarious, though nothing special.
Good high quality comedy? "Being John Malcovich" - fantastic!!!
All in all I would say that post 71 can easily compete with pre 71... _________________ "Democracy means the opportunity to be everyone's slave."
Karl Kraus
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:06 am Post subject: Re: Remakes: The Longest Yard
SinisterBlueCat wrote:
1971? aw, come on...that is pushing it a little, ja'?
Well, maybe 1971 was a bit melodramatic, but I think you know why I picked 1971, right? (I recently watched Blade Runner again, and I think it's overrated - just alot of moody special effects and some interesting acting by Rutger Hauer, the story was hohum) A primary difference between modern movies and old ones (and sure '71 is around a good time as any to pick the divide) is that the older flicks were more literary and the modern ones are more jaded and disjointed and weird. I liked Pulp Fiction and Being John Malkovich, but damn, they're weird. The emphasis is on the visual side of things and the story plays second fiddle. Plus, the human psychological side is missing, in it's place is a kind of jaded, inhuman dance of oddities. The sense that they are telling stories that happen in this world is gone, replaced by a strange hollywood make-believe world where anything can happen because it's all phony anyways. Now, what we get is completely unreal in every way. Of course the old ones were unreal, too. But they were tied to what is real somehow. The obvious holes in modern plots don't matter. It's so phony that it doesn't even matter. How about that comedy Home Alone: a kid doing those things to the burglars? Silliest piece of tripe but business as usual for Hollywood. Here's another contrast to make my point in the genre of Classical Historical Dramas: pre '71 - Spartacus and Ben Hur vs. Alexander and The Kingdom of Heaven. The latter two were devoid of any real attemp to place you back in the human situation of the past, dwelling instead on the appearances, costumes, sets, etc. The Alexander flick gave no clue as to what Alexander was about. I think they hardly read anything about him from what I saw in the movie. Not a clue what made him so unique and brilliant. The crusades flick was a bore, story inane and pointless. The old ones I mentioned, well, I hope you've seen them. Great movies.
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