Portugal

portuga · Coal Joined: May 27, 2008 Posts: 14

anyone from portugal? alguem preocupado?

pstarr · Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 6:47 pm Post subject: Re: Portugal

My buddies new wife just moved up from Brazil and speaks your language. I believe I can now say caiparenia. That's all the Portuguese I know, except Port and Porto. new_all_coholic

Welcome! How did you come across Peakoil.com?
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Cashmere · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Mar 27, 2008 Posts: 1934

portuga · Coal Joined: May 27, 2008 Posts: 14

hey pstarr, so we had spoken, i´ve checked the welcome forum first Smile

, i´m from Porto actually.
i came across peak oil.com some time ago searching on google and put it in my favourites but only yeasterday came back to explore it..
caipirinhas are great but nasty to the liver... i know a lot of people from brazil as there´s been plenty immigration from and to Brazil, but never been there unfortunately and i guess now i´ll never get to know Brazil although it was on my plans before this inflation... later i´ll give my view on my personal and my country situation and it´s not good at all.
hey Cashmere do u speak portuguese?

Cashmere · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Mar 27, 2008 Posts: 1934

Falo? No.

But I'm worried nonetheless.

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portuga · Coal Joined: May 27, 2008 Posts: 14

so in general portugal is in the front when it comes to fossil fuels dependency (2nd most dependent in EU) and level of debt( heard on the news today we´re also nº 2 in EU)... not only that but the state is the major player in the economy and is responsible for more than half of the economy. tax level is at 52% and the state is still with chronic deficit, the families and private companies are also very in debt... so, what does the socialist government has in his sleeve for the country? one brand new mega airport that by bad luck will be located on top of the biggest underground water reserve of the country; a new refinery; and at last the most expensive of all a high velocity train railway built to connect us to "Europe". This is the way we will go through 21st century, using investment schemes of the 20th century

Cashmere · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Mar 27, 2008 Posts: 1934

Portuga, ouch, sounds really bad.
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portuga · Coal Joined: May 27, 2008 Posts: 14

yeah Cashmere, this is a semi communist state, and when the almighty state makes an error, it´s the taxpayers who pay the price.
The people´s mentality is also state dependent, most politicians irresponsabily have passed the last 34 year saying that no one has to work because the state will provide... Portugal is still not an economic democracy...

phaeryen · Heavy Crude Joined: Apr 18, 2007 Posts: 124

What I heard is that Portugal legalized/deregulated all drugs known to man? I understood this measure was done to save money, so in conjuction with the legalization of drugs they ended their participation on the "war on drugs". Ive heard it from so many people now that Ive come to accept it as the truth, but the thing is, it sounds so bizarre and extreme that I have to ask you, is it true, and if it is, what is your take on it? Do you see the consequences out there on the streets?

Anyway, I already knew that the economic situation there was pretty grim. It is very sad to hear that they aren't doing the right things to help ease the pain atleast a little bit. One thing about consolidated/centralized power is the potential to work radical change in a sort span of time. With a power dispersed democracy, like we have here, things become slow and everything is a compromise of a compromise.

Good luck and greetings from Finland. Smile

portuga · Coal Joined: May 27, 2008 Posts: 14

hey phaeron, that´s not true about drugs, only small dosages for personal use have been decriminalized (different from legalized) and only hashisch and marijuana, not hard drugs... what i see on the streets is a lot of cocaine basically, in some night life areas they come offering to anyone who passes, i don´t do drugs so i don´t know anything about its quality Smile

sar · Coal Joined: May 06, 2008 Posts: 3 Location: Alentejo(Pt)

Hi Portuga,

we´re in a real mess, huh?

You´re right, the portuguese state is too heavy and consumes too much resources for a poor country like Portugal.

The new airport and the TGV are indeed the worst thing we can do right now. Our stupid leaders love to do this megaprojects.
Giving the grim prospects that affect airtravel worldwide, i think we are not going to build these monsters. Not because our politicians don´t want to but because they can´t, we don´t have the capital or resources to build them, and people will realize that´s a huge mistake.

This past days road blocks are starting to frighten me, i wrote this a few minutes ago in the "current energy news" thread:

«The situation here in Portugal is getting pretty bad. The road blocks that the truckers and truck companys have made in protest of high fuel prices are becoming a serious issue.
There are shortages of goods in the supermarkets, and there´s a shortage of fuel in many fuel stations all around the country, last night the governement set up a convoy of 40 fuel trucks escorted by police forces to refuel the stations. There are fuel shortages in the airport and flights have been canceled. Firefighters and ambulances are complaining for lack of fuel.
People are scared and are beggining to hoard fuel and demand that the governement uses force to stop the road blocks.

I wonder what will be like in 2012 (or early?) when real declines in world oil production kick in, when people realize that the governement can´t do nothing to ease the cost of life as we know it, and life becomes unbearable. Chaos, i fear!»

Good to see informed and concerned portuguese people.
Thanks for the tip on this thread phaeryen.
Abraco para todos.
Best regards.

Ache · Heavy Crude Joined: Apr 23, 2005 Posts: 250

If I were from Portugal I would move to Brazil or anything close to that in a blink.

kevincarter · Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 6:56 am Post subject: Re: Portugal