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Desperate Drivers Grasp at Hybrid Straws

 
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SolarDave
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:59 pm    Post subject: Desperate Drivers Grasp at Hybrid Straws Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in 2001 I wrote this little spoof on Hybrids, which were so new people were almost as gaga over them as they are today:

Hybridizer 2001 Kit (An April Fool's Joke)

Traffic to that page has typically been a trickle since then, with 3-5 access per day, mostly from Google searches.

Well, things have changed.

Today I have 70 hits to that page, and the daily traffic number is climbing dramatically.

To keep this topic on track for this forum, has anyone heard of a "real" Hybrid Kit? Do you think there will ever be one?

My opinion is that the entire vehicle must be properly engineered to effectively leverage Hybrid technology (for typical road cars and trucks, not for oddballs like Garbage trucks where a retrofit might make sense). What do y'all think? Should I have "patented" it? Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Desperate Drivers Grasp at Hybrid Straws Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

too bad you didn't put an "order now" button to track how many people actually believe it
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Desperate Drivers Grasp at Hybrid Straws Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

SolarDave wrote:
My opinion is that the entire vehicle must be properly engineered to effectively leverage Hybrid technology (for typical road cars and trucks, not for oddballs like Garbage trucks where a retrofit might make sense). What do y'all think? Should I have "patented" it? Laughing
Any hybrid is going to be less efficient than a properly setup vehicle w/ a manual trans since cycling energy into/out of the battery pack hurts efficiency more than a driver who timed lights and the like would loose via the brakes. The best efficiency seen w/ a compact hybrid is more or less what a normal compact would see using similar driving style. So... A hybrid is only needed where the driver can't drive efficiently, be it by choice, experience, or conditions, like LA traffic.

For the most part, a hybrid system compared to alternatives, maybe something run through the belt system, would only be useful if the driver couldn't/didn't alter their driving style and spent most of their time in dense traffic. So yeah, barring specific conditions, a hybrid system needs to be optimized for use to be effective over the wide range of conditions seen when driving.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:49 am    Post subject: Re: Desperate Drivers Grasp at Hybrid Straws Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

There is more to a hybrid than regen. It also prevents the gas engine from operating at its least efficient RPM band. Hypermiling and hybrids are also not mutually exclusive. You can hypermile on a Prius and get close to 100MPG. Most people just don't have the discipline to hypermile. It just takes too much of your concentration. I'm turning my engine off at long signals and that alone is a pain, trying to measure how long the signal is going to last to see if I really saved any gas in the process.
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