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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:04 am    Post subject: A tipping point in Saudi Arabia Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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"The oil boom is over and will not return," Abdullah told his subjects. "All of us must get used to a different lifestyle."


Can you imagine a US president trying to tell people that?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:07 am    Post subject: Re: A tipping point in Saudi Arabia Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Leanan wrote:
From CSM:

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"The oil boom is over and will not return," Abdullah told his subjects. "All of us must get used to a different lifestyle."


Can you imagine a US president trying to tell people that?


Well,if i remember well,Carter tried.....and got kicked out the next election Rolling Eyes !

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:09 am    Post subject: Re: A tipping point in Saudi Arabia Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Leanan wrote:
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"The oil boom is over and will not return," Abdullah told his subjects. "All of us must get used to a different lifestyle."


Can you imagine a US president trying to tell people that?


Over?

Maybe I missed something along the way, but oil is poised to get hugely more expensive.

Did he mean to say demand is outstripping supply?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:10 am    Post subject: Re: A tipping point in Saudi Arabia Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Wow.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:13 am    Post subject: Re: A tipping point in Saudi Arabia Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Did he mean that princes must limit themselves to one Rolls Royce and one lear jet and only one trip per season to Monte Carlo ?

It's quite a remarkable statement and one that I would love to hear an economist comment on. Record high oil prices, and the oil boom is over ? Hmmm, how can that be.... unless...we got none to sell! Shocked
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:14 am    Post subject: Re: A tipping point in Saudi Arabia Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Did he mean to say demand is outstripping supply?


No, he did not. Read the entire article. The Kingdom has some big problems looming.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:45 am    Post subject: Re: A tipping point in Saudi Arabia Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Leanan wrote:
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Did he mean to say demand is outstripping supply?


No, he did not. Read the entire article. The Kingdom has some big problems looming.


ummm...read the entire article leanan...just thought it was worded oddly...

Apparently others who read the entire article had the same exact question.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:59 am    Post subject: Re: A tipping point in Saudi Arabia Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Roccland wrote:
Did he mean to say demand is outstripping supply?


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Current high oil prices are not enough to paper over the economic ravages of the past two decades.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:04 pm    Post subject: Re: A tipping point in Saudi Arabia Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Perhaps they mean that as long as they are only accepting U.S. dollars for their oil they will be able to buy fewer and fewer Rolls Royces because of the dollar's devaluation.

Really, if the royal family wanted to make a LOT of money they could just call a press conference and announce that they have peaked, will no longer be a swing producer and anticipate steep declines in production soon. That would send the price of oil through the roof and keep it there (SA could stoke the fire by having periodic doom update press conferences).

I don't know what they are thinking. As long as they are selling their oil that costs them $5 a barrel to produce and competing against some guy out in the middle of the ocean drilling a well thousands of feet underwater at a cost of $40 a barrel, they are going to do great.

SA is going to be like the generator salesman in a hurricane. Their boom is just starting.

As for getting used to a different lifestyle, I wonder who exactly he was talking to.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:15 pm    Post subject: Re: A tipping point in Saudi Arabia Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

MonteQuest wrote:
Roccland wrote:
Did he mean to say demand is outstripping supply?


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Current high oil prices are not enough to paper over the economic ravages of the past two decades.


Hey Monte - I read that - and it still did not answer my question.

Take it to the HOF with me rather that throwing rocks from the side line.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:43 pm    Post subject: Re: A tipping point in Saudi Arabia Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

bigtex wrote:

Really, if the royal family wanted to make a LOT of money they could just call a press conference and announce that they have peaked, will no longer be a swing producer and anticipate steep declines in production soon. That would send the price of oil through the roof and keep it there (SA could stoke the fire by having periodic doom update press conferences).


The day KSA announces peak oil is their undoing. The regime has been propped up by the US and Britain as a swing oil producer. If they can't do that job then we will no longer have an interest there, and the royal palace in Riyahd will be overrun by a lot of poor, pissed off repressed people.

King Abdullah will be seen in public with a Cuban Sandwich in his left hand dancing to Michael Jackson tunes before he makes a statement like that.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 1:21 pm    Post subject: Re: A tipping point in Saudi Arabia Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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The day KSA announces peak oil is their undoing. The regime has been propped up by the US and Britain as a swing oil producer. If they can't do that job then we will no longer have an interest there, and the royal palace in Riyahd will be overrun by a lot of poor, pissed off repressed people.


Are they doing that job right now? I would have thought a swing producer would have stepped in by now and put all this offshore drilling on ice and kicked the Russians in the nuts for challenging them.

As for not having an interest there, I think that, unfortunately, we will have an interest there so long as they are producing oil. Being a swing producer is not necessary for us to attempt to impose our will and prop up a government (see Iraq).
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 1:37 pm    Post subject: Re: A tipping point in Saudi Arabia Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

True. But once they admit to PO they've lost a lot of political power. It is in their best interests to say, "Nah, we've got everything under control" and pass off their declines as 'cutbacks to keep the market stable'.

Iraq actually is a defacto swing producer and arguably the only one still left, because of the lack of proper development in their oil fields. (That's why we went.) It's the only known place where we know where oil is and also know it isn't being extracted like it could be. Iraq makes about 2mbd, but can probably be made to produce 5mbd, once all its citizens are fattened off of corn syrup and Burger King, numbed by a Playstation and holding hands and singing in the streets... (of course, that's only a few weeks away right? LOL )

So, yes KSA is still a power broker and will be as long as they have oil, but the royal regime will lose its utility if they can't control the price. That's their function.. to keep the oil supply cheap by using practical slave labor to extract it. It they can't keep control of the price then we have no incentive to prop up their dictatorship, and will be more inclined to allow 'nature to take its course' in the Arabian Peninsula since we'll be paying through the nostril for the stuff anyway. If I want $100 oil I can get it from anyone. How nice of the King to give us a $4 discount. If that' the best he can do, then his utility is waning and he knows it.

Besides, the fear that such an announcement (Ladies and Gentlemen, Saudi Arabia has peaked!) would create in the world markets would be a big incentive for conservation and development of alternative energy, and Riyahd wants to extract every dime we have for as long as they can. They have a vested interest in keeping the world running on Ghawar's oil as long as possible.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:56 pm    Post subject: Re: A tipping point in Saudi Arabia Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

alecifel wrote:
True. But once they admit to PO they've lost a lot of political power. It is in their best interests to say, "Nah, we've got everything under control" and pass off their declines as 'cutbacks to keep the market stable'.

Iraq actually is a defacto swing producer and arguably the only one still left, because of the lack of proper development in their oil fields. (That's why we went.) It's the only known place where we know where oil is and also know it isn't being extracted like it could be. Iraq makes about 2mbd, but can probably be made to produce 5mbd, once all its citizens are fattened off of corn syrup and Burger King, numbed by a Playstation and holding hands and singing in the streets... (of course, that's only a few weeks away right? LOL )

So, yes KSA is still a power broker and will be as long as they have oil, but the royal regime will lose its utility if they can't control the price. That's their function.. to keep the oil supply cheap by using practical slave labor to extract it. It they can't keep control of the price then we have no incentive to prop up their dictatorship, and will be more inclined to allow 'nature to take its course' in the Arabian Peninsula since we'll be paying through the nostril for the stuff anyway. If I want $100 oil I can get it from anyone. How nice of the King to give us a $4 discount. If that' the best he can do, then his utility is waning and he knows it.

Besides, the fear that such an announcement (Ladies and Gentlemen, Saudi Arabia has peaked!) would create in the world markets would be a big incentive for conservation and development of alternative energy, and Riyahd wants to extract every dime we have for as long as they can. They have a vested interest in keeping the world running on Ghawar's oil as long as possible.


Good points. I think, however, that SA's inability or unwillingness to check the recent runup in prices is almost prima facie evidence that they aren't holding anything back.

Excellent point on Iraq being the swing producer of the future. Dick Cheney is a visionary, in a sort of James Bond-villain kind of way.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:16 pm    Post subject: Re: A tipping point in Saudi Arabia Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

BigTex wrote:

Good points. I think, however, that SA's inability or unwillingness to check the recent runup in prices is almost prima facie evidence that they aren't holding anything back.

Excellent point on Iraq being the swing producer of the future. Dick Cheney is a visionary, in a sort of James Bond-villain kind of way.


The US state department knew about this back in the 40's and 50's calling the Middle East oil the greatest material prize in all of history, or words to that effect.

Cheney and his boys just went for the jugular.
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