Give Me Liberty

MarkL · Moderator Joined: Sep 13, 2004 Posts: 280 Location: US

I found this video at survival acres.

A video interview of Naomi Wolf. In the video, she says that a coup occurred in the US on 10/1/08(paraphrased). She explains what occurred to get us here and what we must do to get out of this mess(fascism).

Naomi Wolf Interview

I'm speaking on my own behalf, not on behalf of po.com. Please forward this to everyone you know. If you know how, make copies of this video and save.

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Cashmere · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Mar 27, 2008 Posts: 1971

She's hysterical.

She may be right, but she's hysterical none the less.

She's citing the hearsay comments by that one Congressman.

So that's hearsay of hearsay.

Nice.

So she's predicting that there's going to be a martial law declaration before the election? That gives her 3.5 weeks to be correct.

Good luck.
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seahorse · Expert Joined: Oct 15, 2004 Posts: 2196 Location: Arkansas

roccman · Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: Re: Give Me Liberty

Cashmere · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Mar 27, 2008 Posts: 1971

seahorse · Expert Joined: Oct 15, 2004 Posts: 2196 Location: Arkansas

No cashmere, you are wrong on every point, namely common sense. A congressman says on t.v. that they were threatened with marshall law. Not a single dumbass congressman refutes this. The only court that matters is the court of public opinion.

If we are going to invoke any hearsay arguments, everything that we have been told by anyone is hearsay. Further, eveything anyone argues on these boards is hearsay, whether its global warming, PO, or anything else. In the public debate, certain sources are accepted, and when a Congressman says this in Congressional testimony and it goes unrefuted, its acceptable.

Further, I disagree that it is "hearsay" even as used in court, and I have argued the exception many times in court. I can simply introduce the congressional record of his speech into the record. Enough said.

seahorse · Expert Joined: Oct 15, 2004 Posts: 2196 Location: Arkansas

Cashmere · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Mar 27, 2008 Posts: 1971

seahorse · Expert Joined: Oct 15, 2004 Posts: 2196 Location: Arkansas

You need to review Rule 801 of the FRCP and the hearsay exceptions, of which, one is the Congressional record. This is not hearsay in court and, most importantly, not hearsay to Americans who are tired being fed crap.

Now, you want to know hearsay? That there is a dark side of the moon. If you believe and accept there is a dark side of the moon, you are believing in hearsay.

Enough with these tangents, as the thread says "Give me liberty" from these bastards! CEO Fuld getting his clock cleaned was a nice first step.

MarkL · Moderator Joined: Sep 13, 2004 Posts: 280 Location: US

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Northern_Pike · Coal Joined: Sep 30, 2008 Posts: 16

Naomi cries Wolf…

As a nation of free people we must always be vigilant, our watchful eyes must scan the horizon for tyranny in whatever form it may manifest itself. That being said, in the video posted to this thread, Ms. Wolf is seeing villainy where there likely is little or none. Isn’t this the same brand of left leaning individual that constantly makes claims to the incompetence of the Bush administration? However, now we are to believe such an inept conductor is going to orchestrate the hostile installation of a dictatorship, via coup of the most stable representational republic government the world has ever known.

Don’t misunderstand me, I find any changes, or diversions of, our constitution as disturbing signs of possible deep troubles within our government. However, let us keep some perspective of some of our constitutional protections that do most to hold our freedom in place. To say all our freedoms are themselves created equal is false and dangerous. Some of our freedoms, by their very nature, facilitate our protecting and keeping all our other freedoms.

Examine closely who is more in favor of removing our 2nd amendment right to bare arms against a hostile dictatorial army? The left is, since we citizens can’t be trusted with this basic freedom. Has the Bush administration begun the collection of our firearms yet? How about the freedom of speech? Is not Ms. Wolf exercising that freedom on a daily basis? Well then, it must be the violations of our right to vote? Although the claims of stolen elections seem more like sour grapes, perhaps there is a valid claim to be made here. Or, just maybe, this is a set-up. If the left should happen to fail yet again, to manage to elect their candidate into office, in what will likely be yet another very close race, hasn’t the groundwork been laid well to claim that the right to vote must be under attack, since it can’t be possible the entire nation doesn’t really want the socialist agenda they offer?

Ms. Wolf does provide us with a valuable service in our vigilance against alienation of our constitutional rights. While she states that much of our constitution is being ignored, violated, or wrongly changed according to her perceptions, and sites anticdotal cases as evidence of these violations, much of it is unsubstantiated at best, and pure speculation at worst. The actual service Ms. Wolf provides is the same as the “Canary in the mine shaft.” Because Ms. Wolf is still free to speak her mind on the radio, on the internet, and in the books she sells, we can therefore be certain the coup she states has already occurred on 01OCT2008, never really happened at all.

Undoubtedly, any dictator bent on grabbing complete control, would make these modern-day Paul Reveres, or perhaps more accurately, Chicken Littles, such as Ms. Wolf, disappear altogether. There would be a knock on her door, in the middle of the night, and Ms. Wolf would simply never be heard from again. Her very presence in the spotlight, sounding the alarm, should be an indication that no alarm is warranted. When the canary is no longer heard chirping, then I will be among the first to be very afraid, and be moved to action, myself.

Ms. Wolf cites several power plays made by nearly all historic tyrants during various attempts to create dictatorships. She claims not to have seen the final version of the “Bail-out Bill,” however is willing to “bet you” that it contains provisions of hundred(s) of billions of dollars for the President to fund his insurrection. Is this the same legislation written by a democratically held congress? Would Nancy Pelosi really hand this much power to a potential despot in the white house? Ms. Wolf has indicated in her sermon that it is likely U.S. troops will be sent into congress to somehow influence matters there. Would congress provide the means to which this could be possible, by legislating the funding of such a self-destructive calamity?

Ms. Wolf claims the current financial crisis is being “hyped” in order to create an opportunity for the coup of our government. The democrats control Congress, and the executive branch is republican. The democrats pushed the bill in the house in its first manifestation, and it failed because of republican opposition to it. In the Bill’s reincarnation, it was again created, and this time passed through the Senate. It needed both party’s support to pass in the House. Does all this mean we are to believe the hypothetical coup is bi-partisan?

Perhaps this explains why the democrats have been trying to revoke our 2nd amendment rights for all these years. Because, those tazers and rubber bullets that Ms. Wolf warns us of will not be adequate in many, many regions of the nation where high powered hunting rifles and countless shotguns reside in the homes of patriots who, I assure you, will not stand idle in the wake of tyranny.

Granted the U.S. Army could bring much stronger firepower to bear upon the populace if the U.S. Army could somehow be convinced to let itself be used in such a fashion. And, maybe you could conceivably convince young officers to order their soldiers to use less-than-lethal weapons against mobs of angry protesters. However, these soldiers grew up on the same streets Ms. Wolf expects they will soon battle upon. Knowing as many soldiers as I do, and having been one myself recently, I can tell you, if ordered to use deadly force upon U.S. citizens, the U.S. Army, composed itself of these very same citizens, would see mass desertions and rebellion within its own ranks. Every soldier swears to defend the constitution of the United States of America, and nearly all of them (though granted, perhaps not every last one of them), knows exactly what that means.

For Ms. Wolf to indicate that the mission of the troops on U.S. soil be anything other than protection of U.S. citizens is disingenuous. The U.S.A. faces a very real threat from enemies that seek to inflict the greatest harm possible. While most of these enemies lie outside our nation’s borders, for us to believe we may not have enemies upon our soil leads us to the dangerous false sense of security that may have a devastating consequence. For the nation to be fully secure against all threats, foreign and domestic, in this time of war, all resources must and should be used to protect our population against great harm.

By all means, let us always keep watch for signs of tyranny, for violations of our rights, and for threats against the foundations of the greatest nation on earth. However, let us keep our perspective. Let’s not be clouded by mere perceptions of tyranny while ignoring or promoting, real threats to our freedoms because they suit our needs in other arenas.

While I am not greatly concerned there is currently a dictator weaving a web of power to ensnare our nation, I think it prudent to look for the side effects of other changes made in the course of following numerous other agendas. For one example, while gun control may have the honest concern of citizens at heart, and their protection from criminals that would intend violence against them, we must fear the possible side effect of our lawful citizens being less able to protect themselves of any possible tyranny within our government, by removing weapons from the hands of law abiding citizens.

While I am not greatly concerned there is currently a dictator in the making, we must keep our liberties strong and secure at every edge of the fabric of our freedoms, so that we don’t inadvertently open a window of opportunity for some would-be dictator to step through and steal our most precious treasure: our freedom. Let us also refrain from crying wolf at every perceived threat, lest the day come when a real wolf begins to devour the sheep, and tired of the false alarms, nobody answers the call to arms.

- Pike

Cashmere · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Mar 27, 2008 Posts: 1971

Pike - thoughtful post.

This woman is hysterical. A coup occurred on October 1st?

Hysterical.

I'll add my bias that I despise feminism as I do any movement that claims to seek equality but really just seeks favoritism.

I'll also throw in that any dumb twit that is in favor of having guns banned should should their trap about Coups. Don't favor disarming me and then bitch about the government seizing power.

Hysterical twit.
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