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joeltrout
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 Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 11:28 am Post subject: Know BEFORE You Post |
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I am getting really frustrated with people commenting on the oil industry and they have no idea what they are talking about. Reading an article on the internet doesn't make someone an expert.
For example on the topic, "How much of the US has never been explored for oil?".
One person replied
| Quote: | | All parts of the US have been explored electronically, from fly overs and satellite. This process gives a very good general indication of what is potentially available. |
I am not picking on this person only because I have seen several instances where people gave totally wrong explanations about what actually happens in the oil industry.
If you are not in the oil industry then I would suggest reading some introduction books to the industry. Start with The Prize then read Money in the Ground then get a Non-Technical Guide to Petroleum Geology, Exploration, Drilling, & Production then read them all again.
I started a thread, Do You Work in the Oil Industry. Very few people actually work in the industry. I do realize many here are very knowledgeable about oil but many here are not as knowledgeable as they think. We all have lots to learn but we need to be careful what we are teaching.
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Cashmere
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 11:34 am Post subject: Re: Know BEFORE You Post |
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In all your words, Joel, I'm afraid I have missed your point.
Was the prior poster wrong?
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Jack
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 11:35 am Post subject: Re: Know BEFORE You Post |
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You make a good point. Have you any ideas about ways to validate claims?
If someone says they were or are in the oil industry, is there an easy way to know if their claim is true?
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basil_hayden
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 11:36 am Post subject: Re: Know BEFORE You Post |
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So WTF is your point? Most don't want to admit they work in the industry. And since petroleum is everything, we ALL work in the industry to some extent. I happen to clean up the messes you people leave behind.
Was the post you quoted wrong? Absolutely not. It's all been explored with geophysical methods at the least. |
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jato
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 11:37 am Post subject: Re: Know BEFORE You Post |
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I could say the same about the "Police State" type threads.
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firestarter
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 11:38 am Post subject: Re: Know BEFORE You Post |
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Thanks for the advice. I'll remember that if I need any oil related questions answered when my neighbor's 18 yr old comes home from his job at Jiffy Lube.
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joeltrout
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 11:39 am Post subject: Re: Know BEFORE You Post |
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| Cashmere wrote: | In all your words, Joel, I'm afraid I have missed your point.
Was the prior poster wrong? |
The post was incorrect because fly-overs and satellites are not widely used as ways to determine reserves in the US or other places. But the poster made it sound that the US has been explored because of those methods.
3-d seismic is the most widely known way to most accurately explore for oil and natural gas in the US. However it wasn't mentioned.
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Aaron
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 11:43 am Post subject: Re: Know BEFORE You Post |
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Off topic (kinda)
The low hanging fruit in America's oil basket isn't just well explored... it's gone.
Well almost gone anyway.
Today's satellite technology combined with 3d seismic & exploratory drilling technologies are very good at identifying potential deposits.
Does anyone believe that knocking on $130/bbl there is an oil producer anywhere who isn't scouring the planet for exploitable oil deposits?
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basil_hayden
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 11:44 am Post subject: Re: Know BEFORE You Post |
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| joeltrout wrote: | | Cashmere wrote: | In all your words, Joel, I'm afraid I have missed your point.
Was the prior poster wrong? |
The post was incorrect because fly-overs and satellites are not widely used as ways to determine reserves in the US or other places. But the poster made it sound that the US has been explored because of those methods.
3-d seismic is the most widely known way to most accurately explore for oil and natural gas in the US. However it wasn't mentioned.
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3-D seismic is used NOW, but there was a time before NOW, called the PAST, where aerial photos were used to search for potential oil-bearing formations, hand in hand with geologic quadrangle maps. I'm guessing you're up-to-date with current events in your field but lack the historical perspective. |
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threadbear
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 11:51 am Post subject: Re: Know BEFORE You Post |
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| Aaron wrote: | Off topic (kinda)
The low hanging fruit in America's oil basket isn't just well explored... it's gone.
Well almost gone anyway.
Today's satellite technology combined with 3d seismic & exploratory drilling technologies are very good at identifying potential deposits.
Does anyone believe that knocking on $130/bbl there is an oil producer anywhere who isn't scouring the planet for exploitable oil deposits? |
Why would the big producers bother? Huge outlay of money in the interest of what...finding a huge reserve somewhere that would drive the price of oil down? If I was in the oil industry, I wouldn't do anything to mess with the cash cow....and I'd take a good portion of my profits and get into oil futures to drive price higher. |
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joeltrout
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 11:53 am Post subject: Re: Know BEFORE You Post |
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| basil_hayden wrote: |
3-D seismic is used NOW, but there was a time before NOW, called the PAST, where aerial photos were used to search for potential oil-bearing formations, hand in hand with geologic quadrangle maps. I'm guessing you're up-to-date with current events in your field but lack the historical perspective. |
This is exactly my point. You CANNOT determine how much oil is in the ground from aerial photos. If you could then why do we use 3-d seismic now. And not all places have been shot with 3-d.
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roccman
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 11:54 am Post subject: Re: Know BEFORE You Post |
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I think PO.com "experts" should be fined and stripped of there expert stripe if two or more posters debunk their post.
I am tired of this crap too.
In my mind there are only 2 or 3 "experts" on PO.com and 2 are not even labeled as "experts".
Wake up people!!!!
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roccman
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 11:56 am Post subject: Re: Know BEFORE You Post |
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| Aaron wrote: | Off topic (kinda)
The low hanging fruit in America's oil basket isn't just well explored... it's gone.
Well almost gone anyway.
Today's satellite technology combined with 3d seismic & exploratory drilling technologies are very good at identifying potential deposits.
Does anyone believe that knocking on $130/bbl there is an oil producer anywhere who isn't scouring the planet for exploitable oil deposits? |
The Uintah Basin in Utah is one of the largest least explored regions in the lower 48 states.
Vernal is a BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
town...for good reason.
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Dreamtwister
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 12:44 pm Post subject: Re: Know BEFORE You Post |
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*cough ground penetrating RADAR*
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Aaron
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 12:56 pm Post subject: Re: Know BEFORE You Post |
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| basil_hayden wrote: | | joeltrout wrote: | | Cashmere wrote: | In all your words, Joel, I'm afraid I have missed your point.
Was the prior poster wrong? |
The post was incorrect because fly-overs and satellites are not widely used as ways to determine reserves in the US or other places. But the poster made it sound that the US has been explored because of those methods.
3-d seismic is the most widely known way to most accurately explore for oil and natural gas in the US. However it wasn't mentioned.
joeltrout |
3-D seismic is used NOW, but there was a time before NOW, called the PAST, where aerial photos were used to search for potential oil-bearing formations, hand in hand with geologic quadrangle maps. I'm guessing you're up-to-date with current events in your field but lack the historical perspective. |
Well that changes everything!
The past... who knew?
Tell us more about this "past" you mentioned... sounds facinating.
Uintah Basin
| Quote: | | a mean of 60 million barrels of oil |
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And not all places have been shot with 3-d. |
You just floating that idea, or is there some source you wish to quote?
| Quote: | | Why would the big producers bother? |
Oh I dunno... make more money perhaps?
Naw you're right... they are probably good and don't really want higher profits.
What was I thinking?
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