How then, do we move backwards? How does a society, with most of the people having no clue of future events, move from being dependent on a vast and intertwined network of goods and services produced by the indigenous people of whereever, to a local resource and renewable energy based society, and do so in the timeframe available (20-30 years using the most liberal extimates, 10-20 with resonable estimates, 5-10 with worst case scenarios), all the while prices on everything increasing, world politics getting more militaristic, governments continuously reducing civil liberties, shortages of goods on the market and weather patterns resembling bad Hollywood movies?
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:44 pm Post subject: THE State of Nevada Thread (merged)
The State of Nevada had a $300 million surplus and pays it back. Those who registered a vehicle in 2004 are getting $75-$275 refunded. Nevada has no state tax so registering a vehicle is the most direct payment to the state that I know of as I lived there almost 3 years.
I'm shocked. A government that actually had a surplus AND they give it back. I'm running to the bank with my refund.
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:47 pm Post subject: Saudi Size Claims in Nevada?????
How much oil is in Nevada?
Dr. Alan Chamberlain, link this week, stated his belief that there is almost 1.9 TRILLION barrels of oil in the state. Mind you, since the 1850s, when the first oil was pumped in Pennsylvania, until now, total worldwide oil production is only 1 trillion barrels. Further, many experts (Deffeyes in Hubbert's Peak, for instance) believe that 2 trillion barrels is the total original world supply, meaning we only have 1 trillion left in the whole world. Chamberlain is now on the record as stating that he thinks there is roughly as much oil in Nevada as the rest of the world put together ever had. Any thoughts on this? If Eden finds a couple of billion barrels, investors are rich beyond their collective imaginations; but a couple of trillion barrels?? That number just seems impossibly big.
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Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:26 am Post subject: Re: Saudi Size Claims in Nevada?????
4dsc wrote:
... shale oil?? I see a reference about shale formations..
Shale is simply the formation in which oil is found. You can also call it sand. The pump at the bottom of the hole in an oil well is at the bottom of the sand.
The site is there to attract prospectors. The real quesion is, is there commercially viable development prospects? Basically they want someone to put money into a very uncertain thing. The site says it "could" be as big as the Utah finds. Well, now, did they find a Gawar in Utah?! _________________ This is the way the world ends,
Not with a bang but a wimper!
T.S. Eliot
Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:08 am Post subject: Re: Saudi Size Claims in Nevada?????
First off to put my comments in perspective I know Alan personally, have spent time with him in the field and have great respect for his abilities as a geoscientist. I would be surprised if he would have made this comment ....please give the reference...no statement of that nature is on his CedarStrat website.
The sort of comment that I would believe Alan would make is that the Mississippian Chainman shale was capable of generating a trillion barrels of oil....which in point of fact given its lateral distribution, thickness and total organic content is likely true. That being said being capable and actually having done so are two different things.
First off the oil needs to be generated which means the Chainman had to be buried to the right depth under the right thermal conditions for the right amount of time.....to cold and not enough time and it will not generate hydrocarbons....too hot, to deep or too long and it would likely have cracked any oil to gas.
Second off you need a reservoir ....which Alan has done a good job of pointing out is present in the Devonian Simonson limestone. That being said the reservoir is not laterally persistant throughout the entire basin and instead is localized. As an example the Grant Canyon field produces from karsted Devonian reservoir...a spectacular field but continued drilling over the past 20 years in and around it has failed to find similar reservoir, and you cannot image the traps on seismic. So finding reservoir in closure is a crap shoot, mainly due to the thick Tertiary volcaniclastic infill in the basin.
Thirdly you need to get the generated oil to the reservoir. This is problematic in any basin and there are a number of reasons including, migration losses, migration shadows, bypassing etc. that much less than half of the oil ever generated eventually makes it into a trapped reservoir situation.
The above might seem a wee bit too technical but suffice it to say that Alan is likely being quoted out of context. Although not a petroleum geologist, he is an excellent field geologist and has done a bang up job of identifying a thrust belt that was previously unheard of and along with his former thesis supervisor John Warme has outlined a spectacular reservoir in the Devonian.
Eventually someone will find more oil in Nevada...simple trendology tells you that you have Blackburn field to the north and Grant Canyon to the south and virtually no wells in between. The source rock is rich, there is possibility for reservoir....all the ingredients are here but you also have to be able to identify a trap. Current geophysical technology makes this very problematic.
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Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:32 am Post subject: Re: Saudi Size Claims in Nevada?????
erich wrote:
Dr. Alan Chamberlain, link this week, stated his belief that there is almost 1.9 TRILLION barrels of oil in the state.
Such is our thirst for oil that even if this were true and it could be extracted at conventional rates, it would only put peak back about 35 years. Great for us oldies, but not much use for our kids.
I don't know why the finite nature of our planet is such a tough concept to get across.
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 8:53 pm Post subject: Re: Saudi Size Claims in Nevada?????
Ok if there is really 1.9 trillion barrels of oil in Nevada howcome nobody has claimed and started recovering, let alone officially discovered it yet? Big oil is out in chaotic hellholes like Nigeria, Iraq.. the hurricane pummeled gulf coast... yet they havent tapped the life saving/economy saving superduper megagiant oil reserves in Nevada? Come on, I think at best we might find a few billion.. maybe a few 10s of billions of recoverable oil in Nevada if what the geologists say is right.. but 1.9 trillion is just crack smoking wishfull thinking in my opinion.
Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 9:38 pm Post subject: Re: Saudi Size Claims in Nevada?????
This guy is a pump-and-dumper. He comes here only to post outrageous claims about companies no one ever heard of, trying to get suckers to invest. Don't fall for it. _________________ "The problems of today will not be solved by the same thinking that produced the problems in the first place." - Albert Einstein
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Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:24 am Post subject: Re: Saudi Size Claims in Nevada?????
rockdoc123 wrote:
So finding reservoir in closure is a crap shoot, mainly due to the thick Tertiary volcaniclastic infill in the basin
How many dry holes would you bet your life's savings on in order to make the big find? It really is gambling. No wonder no one is investing. One expensive dry hole is enough to ruin most small companies, let alone a number of dry holes. _________________ This is the way the world ends,
Not with a bang but a wimper!
T.S. Eliot
Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 2:12 pm Post subject: Re: Saudi Size Claims in Nevada?????
erich requested a link citing Chamberlain's remark about 1.89 trillion barrels of oil on the Raging Bull board. I attempted to reply there but RB isn't responding. However, here is what he is seeking. Perhaps the person who knows Chamberson personally can contact him to see if the reporter cited him correctly.
Here's the link citing Chamberlain saying there are 1.89 trillion
barrels of oil in Nevada --Geologist says White Pine must keep public lands open for oil exploration. Claims undiscovered oil reserves are '10 times' Saudi Arabia's link
And last Friday, 3/24, there was a follow-up article --
County modifies wilderness area recommendations to allow oil and gas exploration
Chamberlain identified an area in the White Pine Range in the
vicinity of Treasure Hill as one of the most important spots to search
for oil. . . He said the shale south of Wheeler Mountain is some of the richest organic material we've found in the state. link
Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:55 pm Post subject: Those poor Nevada brothels...
Nevada is the only state in the United States where prostitution is legal.
Many people travel from other states to visit brothels in Nevada. Some of the ladies are absolutely beautiful.
The question is, will these brothels still exist after Peak Oil arrives and seriously affects transportation?
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 12:23 am Post subject: Re: Those poor Nevada brothels...
Jogger wrote:
Nevada is the only state in the United States where prostitution is legal.
Many people travel from other states to visit brothels in Nevada. Some of the ladies are absolutely beautiful.
The question is, will these brothels still exist after Peak Oil arrives and seriously affects transportation?
Most people are busy worrying about food, shelter, security and their savings but now we can also count in the terrible worry of how to get to the prostitutes in Nevada post PO... _________________ Hello, my name is Rax. I live in the Amazon jungle with a bunch of women. We are super eco feminists and our favourite passtimes are dangling men by their ankles and discussing peak oil. - apparently
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