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anagami
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 Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: Will we do nothing while the sea's life dies?! |
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I stop eating red meats since more than a year ago... and after seeing one video in which a net takes EVERYTHING from the deep sea's life and resources, and after knowing that we're basically pillaging sea's life to the point where most species will go extinct by 2100, I'm seriously considering to stop eating all kinds of animals.
Witnessing this insane destruction can basically make anyone's hope go way down... I'm starting to think that humanity should better go extinct because almost no one wants to evolve into a more ecological conscious mental state... this is depressing and pathetic.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:36 pm Post subject: Re: Will we do nothing while the sea's life dies?! |
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Some things I choose not to watch because they are so bad. This is one of them.
I'm a Capitalist without a doubt. But this issue drives me nuts. We read stories of how depletion has depressed economies and driven families out of fishing communities, families that have fished for hundreds of years.
Same on the West Coast with the salmon issue, how they are worried about the effect of the fishing ban on industries related to it.
Drives me insane. We fish out and pollute the oceans and all we hear is how it affects industry.
I'm pretty confident our children's generation is going to hate us. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: Will we do nothing while the sea's life dies?! |
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| zensui wrote: |
I stop eating red meats since more than a year ago... |
i have a great solution on how to drive the human species to the brink of extinction and eat all the red meat you want on the way there - guilt free!!
see my sig
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:17 pm Post subject: Re: Will we do nothing while the sea's life dies?! |
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| canis_lupus wrote: | Some things I choose not to watch because they are so bad. This is one of them.
I'm a Capitalist without a doubt. But this issue drives me nuts. We read stories of how depletion has depressed economies and driven families out of fishing communities, families that have fished for hundreds of years.
Same on the West Coast with the salmon issue, how they are worried about the effect of the fishing ban on industries related to it.
Drives me insane. We fish out and pollute the oceans and all we hear is how it affects industry.
I'm pretty confident our children's generation is going to hate us. |
Given many like to point out the economic benefits of saving the world and put an actual figure in the trillions of what the raw materials of this planet are worth, I imagine our materialism will be seen as the one, true religion of the generation.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:11 pm Post subject: Re: Will we do nothing while the sea's life dies?! |
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| zensui wrote: | Witnessing this insane destruction can basically make anyone's
hope go way down... I'm starting to think that humanity should
better go extinct because almost no one wants to evolve into a
more ecological conscious mental state... |
Oh if you think the problem of fishing trawlers is bad, that's nothing!
Check out what Ocean Acidification is doing.
No fishing in an acid ocean! 2030 all fishs are dead? CO2+
http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic34941.html
Mmm, seltzer water anyone?
| zensui wrote: | | I stop eating red meats since more than a year ago... |
Good for you, enjoy the Tofurkey. 
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auscanman
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:29 pm Post subject: Re: Will we do nothing while the sea's life dies?! |
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| zensui wrote: | I stop eating red meats since more than a year ago... and after seeing one video in which a net takes EVERYTHING from the deep sea's life and resources, and after knowing that we're basically pillaging sea's life to the point where most species will go extinct by 2100, I'm seriously considering to stop eating all kinds of animals.
Witnessing this insane destruction can basically make anyone's hope go way down... I'm starting to think that humanity should better go extinct because almost no one wants to evolve into a more ecological conscious mental state... this is depressing and pathetic. |
Ah, come on now. Earth hour is happening on Saturday, and it'll be great. I mean you can invite everyone you know from miles around to drive to your place to spend the hour there! Then to celebrate what a huge sacrifice they've made in that hour, people can celebrate by doing any number of CO2 generating activities!
It's a pitiful world we live in when rather than making genuine sacrifices over the course of their daily lives most people prefer to latch on to some feel-good stunt that will have no effect whatsoever. Until we realize that consumption in all of its forms is the enemy we can't even begin to seriously tackle global warming/increased CO2 levels. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:04 pm Post subject: Re: Will we do nothing while the sea's life dies?! |
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Earth hour-what a joke!
| Quote: | On March 29, B.C. organizations turn off their lights for the environment Saturday, March 29 is Earth Hour™. At 8:00 pm, millions of people and organizations around the globe will turn off their unnecessary lights for one hour to help save electricity and the environment.
British Columbia has made a serious commitment to support WWF's Earth Hour and create a brighter future. |
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How bad do things have to get till they consider the suggestion we don't turn unnecessary lights on at all!  |
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steam_cannon
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:13 pm Post subject: Re: Will we do nothing while the sea's life dies?! |
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I know this will sound harsh but...
| keehah wrote: | How bad do things have to get till they may consider the suggestion
that we don't turn unnecessary lights on at all! |
Sadly 99% of the human animal species is not capable of making such
decisions without the environment forcing them, as in rolling blackouts.
| JPL wrote: | Back in 1991 I had this sort-of epiphany (is that the right
spelling???) whilst shoving damp home-printed leaflets about how
people should vote for the Green Party and stop climate change
and stuff like that.
It was dark and raining and I remember looking at my sodden pile
of leaflets & then back at the line of houses that all had their
outside on. Nothing to illuminate except for some poor wet bloke
stomping up & down & ranting. I remember thinking, what the hell
am I doing? These people aren't ever going to turn their lights off.
I went home, dried myself, threw my remaining leaflets in the bin &
resigned from my local party the next day.
Sorry, what were we saying???
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Gandalf_the_White
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:15 pm Post subject: Re: Will we do nothing while the sea's life dies?! |
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'And the second angel poured out his bowl into the sea, and it became blood like that of a dead man; and every living thing in the sea died.' Revelation 16:3
It surprises that so few people see how making everything in the world link together by computer has actually sped up the processes of so many of these troubles. The internet has become and will soon be even more so a matrix type endeavor. For every message on the net telling us of the harm we do by consumption there are ten thousand new sites selling every concievable thing. Am I the only one who see the picture. If you let the world's power structures become seemlessly united then that which the hearts of men desire will rule the world.
Who here believes the hearts of men desire peace and prosperity each for anyone but themselves?
You like war, now you have war
You like pain, now you have pain
You like darkness, now you have dark
The Lord rises up to contend with you
9/11 opened the door
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:55 pm Post subject: Re: Will we do nothing while the sea's life dies?! |
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| Gandalf_the_White wrote: | 'And the second angel poured out his bowl into the sea, and it became blood like that of a dead man; and every living thing in the sea died.' Revelation 16:3
It surprises that so few people see how making everything in the world link together by computer has actually sped up the processes of so many of these troubles. The internet has become and will soon be even more so a matrix type endeavor. For every message on the net telling us of the harm we do by consumption there are ten thousand new sites selling every concievable thing. Am I the only one who see the picture. If you let the world's power structures become seemlessly united then that which the hearts of men desire will rule the world.
Who here believes the hearts of men desire peace and prosperity each for anyone but themselves?
You like war, now you have war
You like pain, now you have pain
You like darkness, now you have dark
The Lord rises up to contend with you
9/11 opened the door |
The door was opened well before 9/11. Go see "The Century of the Self" on youtube.
Sorry mate, we are programmed drones. We haven't a choice. If we had, why our masters would soon put paid to that.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:19 am Post subject: Re: Will we do nothing while the sea's life dies?! |
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Enjoy it while it lasts.
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Gandalf_the_White
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 3:16 am Post subject: Re: Will we do nothing while the sea's life dies?! |
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| americandream wrote: | | Sorry mate, we are programmed drones. We haven't a choice. If we had, why our masters would soon put paid to that. |
Very interesting. I watched Happiness Machines and will go back tomorrow for Engineering Consent. When you look at it from that perspective I see alot of similarities between the neocon propaganda and the nazis. Although it is also very similar to the Cold War as well. Most people I hear agree that after Stalin the Soviets played chess with us but really did not have the evil empire aims the American Public was lead to believe. I find striking similarities in ideas between the rational actor and the irrational animal notions and the idea of the sin nature in the Bible. The idea that through being born again a person can enter into a new nature dominated by the fruit of the spirit which are love, patience kindness goodness, self-control, there are nine in total mentioned in Galation 5:22. The works of the flesh are mentioned in the same chapter as well. But the fruit of the Spirit lend themselves to an agrarian stable community lifestyle while the works of the flesh tear at that fabric but find their glory for the individual in a large consumer society where the strongest whelp gets the lion's share of the prey. If you create a world where everyone takes a chance at the big score there is alot of room for the wheeler dealers to make their mark. The people who are more clever at sin rule the world. It is interesting all the branching thoughts that come out of something like that. I would say that today society has become complex enough that most people are plugged right into the matrix almost at birth and probably never wake up. I have worked around marketing a little bit and with statistics so I understand that alot of what we are approached by in society is designed to hit us where we live. You can get people to act irrationally, but the negative consequences associated have to be delayed as long as possible. How those negative consequences emmerge and develop in the social conscience and the individual conscience are all part of how long the gain can be maintained and probably would go into the estimate of what a program might return on investment. Ergo control of the media would also be an essential component of social engineering.
I'm thinking about something DP said earlier. I wonder if the current economic crisis is'nt worse than we are being told. What if we are experiencing something more than just damage control?
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 10:05 am Post subject: Re: Will we do nothing while the sea's life dies?! |
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| catbox wrote: | | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xiIDIaouL0 |
| Carlin wrote: | There is nothing wrong with the planet, the planet is fine.
The people are Fark!
...The planet isn't going anywhere, we are!
Pack your crap folks, we're going away... |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 4:27 am Post subject: Re: Will we do nothing while the sea's life dies?! |
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| Gandalf_the_White wrote: | | The internet has become and will soon be even more so a matrix type endeavor. For every message on the net telling us of the harm we do by consumption there are ten thousand new sites selling every concievable thing. |
...for every message on the net telling us of the harm we do by consumption there are ten thousands of messages offering free pornography. 
That even makes its way into PO.com
For last week or so there are few porn sites a day advertised on this forum. |
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