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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:42 am Post subject: Israel proposes naval blockade of Iran
The Israeli prime minister has proposed that a U.S. naval blockade be imposed on Iran to stop the Islamic Republic from moving ahead with its uranium enrichment program, an Israeli newspaper said on Wednesday.
According to the Haaretz daily, at a meeting in Jerusalem with the speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi, Ehud Olmert said, "The present economic sanctions [against Iran] have run out of steam," and proposed "a naval blockade of Iran," using the U.S. navy to limit movement in and out of the Islamic Republic by Iranian merchant ships.
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:41 am Post subject: Re: Israel proposes naval blockade of Iran
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The Israeli prime minister has proposed that a U.S. naval blockade be imposed on Iran
Nice of them to offer suggestions as to how WE should use OUR navy.
Perhaps they should start paying OUR income taxes as well.
Honestly, this takes the cake. It's not enough that we subsidize their economy, reportedly to the tune of $23,000 per Israeli, but now they are telling us how to use our navy? Something is really seriously wrong here.
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:48 am Post subject: Re: Israel proposes naval blockade of Iran
Cid_Yama wrote:
Ehud Olmert said, "The present economic sanctions [against Iran] have run out of steam," and proposed "a naval blockade of Iran," using the U.S. navy to limit movement in and out of the Islamic Republic by Iranian merchant ships.
Can't you just see Olmert with a cell phone to his ear, pausing between each sentence, with someone at the other end saying, "oh, yeah, don't forget _____ ."
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:50 am Post subject: Re: Israel proposes naval blockade of Iran
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:51 am Post subject: Re: Israel proposes naval blockade of Iran
This is a logical next step in the strategic game to force Iran's hand. Either Iran buckles on the nuclear development or they attack US forces in the area. Either way the US gets what it wants, though I think the US would prefer using force. _________________ "Modern Agriculture is the use of land to convert petroleum into food."
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 9:23 am Post subject: Re: Israel proposes naval blockade of Iran
DomusAlbion wrote:
This is a logical next step in the strategic game to force Iran's hand. Either Iran buckles on the nuclear development or they attack US forces in the area. Either way the US gets what it wants, though I think the US would prefer using force.
I'd presume the US would most want possession of Iranian oil reserves. The US could bomb Iran but how could they get Iranian oil without invasion and occupation? (And see how little oil is being produced now in invaded and occupied Iraq.) _________________ "A devastating error is to set up a political system based on [individual] desire... the best dictatorship would be one where the government prevents any economical growth."
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 9:43 am Post subject: Re: Israel proposes naval blockade of Iran
Fredrik, that may not be the goal. The goal may just be to neutralize Iran's military and it's nuclear development program.
Iran will continue to sell its oil on the open market, there's seems no logic in taking it. _________________ "Modern Agriculture is the use of land to convert petroleum into food."
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 10:38 am Post subject: Re: Israel proposes naval blockade of Iran
DomusAlbion wrote:
Fredrik, that may not be the goal. The goal may just be to neutralize Iran's military and it's nuclear development program.
Iran will continue to sell its oil on the open market, there's seems no logic in taking it.
This depends on a lot of ponderables. First of all, indications are that Iran is not building the Bomb, no matter how much Israel and US neocons wish it were (so they could have a free hand pounding the place into pemmican). And Iran is completely within its rights under the NNPT to build reactors for power. I've heard people ask why anyone with that much oil would want or need to build reactors. The answer's obvious: oil's about all Iran has to sell and trade in the world, and doing so makes it important to the rest of us. If they just sit there and burn it, they don't profit off it, and they have nothing set aside for when we move from an oil-based economy to some other energy source, as inevitably we must.
Secondly, it counts on neither Russia nor China, nor both, blowing the whistle. They both have economic and strategic interests in Iran and it remains to be seen if they'd be willing to sacrifice them to US and Israeli hubris. Look at the way the US disregarded EU oil deals in Iraq after the invasion, for example. Well, China's not Holland and Russia's not France. They're both first-rank military powers with huge populations and unfettered economic clout, unlike the US at the moment. If they decide they don't want Iran touched, that's stalemate. Any move after that potentially sees the lot of us crispy critters on the third cinder from the sun. _________________ I can has cheezburger?
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 11:21 am Post subject: Re: Israel proposes naval blockade of Iran
pup55 wrote:
Quote:
The Israeli prime minister has proposed that a U.S. naval blockade be imposed on Iran
Nice of them to offer suggestions as to how WE should use OUR navy.
Perhaps they should start paying OUR income taxes as well.
Honestly, this takes the cake. It's not enough that we subsidize their economy, reportedly to the tune of $23,000 per Israeli, but now they are telling us how to use our navy? Something is really seriously wrong here.
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 11:37 am Post subject: Re: Israel proposes naval blockade of Iran
Fredrik wrote:
DomusAlbion wrote:
This is a logical next step in the strategic game to force Iran's hand. Either Iran buckles on the nuclear development or they attack US forces in the area. Either way the US gets what it wants, though I think the US would prefer using force.
I'd presume the US would most want possession of Iranian oil reserves. The US could bomb Iran but how could they get Iranian oil without invasion and occupation? (And see how little oil is being produced now in invaded and occupied Iraq.)
What matters is having more resources than anyone else, not having the most resources in absolute terms. So maybe one goal is to deprive others of Iran's resources (including a lot of gas, not just oil), rather than securing them for the US. _________________ "Every junkie's like a setting sun..." - Neil Young
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 11:47 am Post subject: Re: Israel proposes naval blockade of Iran
Exactly Shanny, In my opinion it's about control. Hegemony.
Iran is making every other (read Arab) nation in the Persian Gulf region. The US would be doing them a favor by setting back Iran's military. _________________ "Modern Agriculture is the use of land to convert petroleum into food."
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 12:14 pm Post subject: Re: Israel proposes naval blockade of Iran
DomusAlbion wrote:
Exactly Shanny, In my opinion it's about control. Hegemony.
Iran is making every other (read Arab) nation in the Persian Gulf region. The US would be doing them a favor by setting back Iran's military.
What makes you think a largely-Christian, Anglospheric nation on the other side of the world calling their shots is "doing them a favour", as opposed to be led by a regional power like Iran, exactly? Put another way, do you think Mexico and Brazil, Argentina and Jamaica would be 'done a favour' having China hem in US military abilities in the region, should that become feasible in the future? Wouldn't your first instinct be to ask, "What the **** is China doing here, sticking their nose in? Who do they think they are?" _________________ I can has cheezburger?
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 12:27 pm Post subject: Re: Israel proposes naval blockade of Iran
Nickel wrote: "as opposed to be led by a regional power like Iran"
That is exactly what the Arab states do not want. It's all in the history of Persian-Arab relations and Suni-Shiite divisions. Lots of bad blood between the two groups.
Currently the US has the upper hand in the region and is determined to maintain that position. Right or wrong. Please understand that I'm not arguing for the US position or actions, just observing how powers have behaved in the past and will continue to behave. _________________ "Modern Agriculture is the use of land to convert petroleum into food."
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 12:43 pm Post subject: Re: Israel proposes naval blockade of Iran
DomusAlbion wrote:
Nickel wrote: "as opposed to be led by a regional power like Iran"
That is exactly what the Arab states do not want.
Oh, but they do want hegemonistic rule from afar by a Crusader successor state whose people largely despise and disparage Islam instead, I suppose.
DomusAlbion wrote:
Currently the US has the upper hand in the region and is determined to maintain that position.
I'm not sure I agree. The Gulf States are actively discussing unlinking their currencies from the US dollar because its devaluation is devastating their economies with spiraling inflation, and Hezbollah has just demonstrated that they could, in spite of US and Israeli activities, take and make what they want of the whole of Lebanon if they cared to take on the headaches of making other groups toe the line, which they do not seem eager to do. Saudi Arabia has just balked at supporting the US position on Iran, which is an astounding and highly symbolic gesture not to be overlooked. They're hedging their bets. As much as they may dread having to tug forelock to Iran, clearly, they no longer presume that day will never come. _________________ I can has cheezburger?
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 12:54 pm Post subject: Re: Israel proposes naval blockade of Iran
Nickel wrote: "Oh, but they do want hegemonistic rule from afar by a Crusader successor state "
The majority of the people of the region (those not in power) undoubtedly do not want this, however, the US is the current Hegemon in the area. This cannot be denied. Furthermore the US (and I would think other Western powers) will do all it can to maintain that position as long as there is something there (i.e. oil) that it wants. _________________ "Modern Agriculture is the use of land to convert petroleum into food."
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