Hoarding is exactly what the government is doing right now by filling the SPR, and frankly it's the best thing that could happen. It drives prices up. High prices encourage demand destruction. They also finance new well development. The hoarded oil gives us a buffer to fall back on once shortages become more prevalent. High prices are what we need in order to adapt to what's coming, and the sooner they happen, the better.
Joined: Apr 03, 2004 Posts: 6349 Location: My Grandkids' Farm
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:25 pm Post subject: [Location] Considerations
Before we Moved from Cent. Ca to SW MO (1,500 miles to a state I had visited once) I did my due diligence.
I researched the soils, topography, flood plains, demographics, politics, local & state laws regarding taxes/firearms/building codes/water rights/etc...
And climate change because I want to leave some of my effort to my kids and grandkids. Three of 4 of the predictions I saw regarding climate said warmer/wetter/wilder winters and hotter/wetter summers. Three of 4 predictions are proving right so far.
Point is, while making your Plan, you need to look at all aspects of your new or, especially, your old location, not just the usual urban vs. rural, money vs. labor, infrastructure vs. no arguments.
Lots of folks in Iowa are saying FEMA told them they were at no risk of flooding (though they could see the river from the yard) so they didn't buy flood insurance...
Uncle Sugar can only do so much, folks; and he'll be able to do less and less as time goes by I'm thinking. _________________ Make a plan and work it:
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:51 pm Post subject: Re: [Location] Considerations
Pops,
I just read the "Survivalists Pyramid" thread here in the Planning forum, and realized that few young people have ever considered these basics you talk about. My comment was, how do we get the word out? It's most important to do your research.
In our case, we know the area where we live because we grew up here, but that isn't enough. Learning basics about your local risks must be done and dealt with. If people did this, maybe we wouldn't lose so many people who drive into flooded roads, and take other preventable risks. _________________ Local fix-it guy..
Joined: Sep 16, 2007 Posts: 993 Location: Oklahoma City, USA
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:13 pm Post subject: Re: [Location] Considerations
I need to do more looking around here, that's for certain.
Some things I thought about:
The nearest water source (not your tap)
Best roads out of town (or away from the most probable source of trouble)
Best non-highway roads out of town
Three alternate routes (dirt roads, train tracks, cross country, etc, depending on your area)
What food grows wild in each season, and where the nearest sources are
Who lives on your block and who routinely visits them (at least knowing them by sight) _________________ What, so I'm in no end game
Move my piece right off the board
Joined: Jun 15, 2007 Posts: 472 Location: St.Albert, AB
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:59 pm Post subject: Re: [Location] Considerations
Norway has me very interested at the moment. In particular an island in south western Norway with a population of roughly 35,000 people. Very small, very far away from any major population center. It is not perfect for growing food but Norway is the second largest seafood exporter next to China (#1), so I plan on fishing (I've done so all my life) and having some land for a garden etc. I intend to rent a place to start since I don't want a house to build up debt. Problems I can see from the beginning include not having a valuable skill post peak, so I may not have a job. I'm hoping that a farm family could take me in on the island and I could work with them and hopefully have a side job and just save up for a small place. I can't tell you of the soil quality and water quality since all of those specific sets of data are in Norwegian and I can't understand the language at the present. I hope to leave to Norway within the next 4 -6 months.
Joined: May 28, 2008 Posts: 62 Location: Old Dominion
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject: Re: [Location] Considerations
Years ago there was a writter named Mel Tappan that wrote a monthly colume for Guns & Ammo magazine. Mel's specialty was SHTF preparedness evan way back then. He was a man ahead of his times. Back then, most people couldn't believe some major calamity would occur that forced a drastic reversing of society.
I visit "survivalist" sights once in awhile and scratch my head over how many contributors are prepared to "bug out". They have their packs packed with everything but the kitchen sink, and believe their best shot of weathering the storm is to hit the road carrying a hundred pounds of gear and "living off the land". No thanks!
Having "retreats" is another favorite topic. Somehow they will load up the family SUV and head for the hills to their secret retreat housing pre-positioned supplies. Of course, the difficulties of travel while being exposed and at the mercy of others along the way is never discussed.
Old Mel had it right. Find a comfortable location away from large metro areas and move there BEFORE the SHTF. That way, you aren't some stranger just showing up, but you have settled in and some become a known member of the community.
Pop, Missouri seems like a good location. Me? I live in Virginia. Its a nice area with lots of nice people. The weather is temporate with a long growing season in an area that is mostly rural in attitude. I'm certainly not bugging out. I'm staying put...with the gear...and friends.
Happy trails _________________ "If everything is going well, you obviously overlooked something."
Joined: Apr 03, 2004 Posts: 6349 Location: My Grandkids' Farm
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject: Re: [Location] Considerations
ORCA wrote:
Years ago there was a writter named Mel Tappan that wrote a monthly colume for Guns & Ammo magazine...
Yea, I used to read those articles.
As I remember he died from sepsis or some such from a broken highball glass he cut his foot on - I don't think it was in his cistern/Pond/creek though.
Do your own homework, people.
And yea, ORCA, Mo is good.
But check it out for yourself.... _________________ Make a plan and work it:
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 5:25 pm Post subject: Re: [Location] Considerations
Yes there are many factors to look at when choosing a place to survive. But no matter how many things you look at, you will still miss something. You are DOOMED.
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:36 pm Post subject: Re: [Location] Considerations
I'll stick with my oldest theory espoused here on the site. If one is planning on a self sufficient farming lifestyle, one should have "40 acres and a mule".
It was the US government standard during the years following the civil war, and I guess I figure they new more about what it took back then since they actually had to do it.
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:12 am Post subject: Re: [Location] Considerations
truecougarblue,
I like the 40 acres and a mule. And make the water as easy to get as possible, since it's quite ajob to deal with on a farm. Many small farms who didn't have creek for stock water tried to come up with a pond to save the chore of watering horses, mules, cows, pigs and poultry. I've done that with a hand pump and can attest to the value of a good spring, stream, or pond. Assume at least an hour of work a day for watering the hard way, and decide what that is worth when you consider location. In years past, the value of a good spring was immense. Besides easy water, with the additon of a springhouse, it provided cooling for food and drinks.
Oh, and put the house and barn DOWNHILL from the spring, if possible, so gravity can bring it close to the points of use.
edit: yeah, the auto music gets old. _________________ Local fix-it guy..
Joined: Dec 25, 2005 Posts: 525 Location: Hillsboro, West Virginia
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:29 pm Post subject: Re: [Location] Considerations
mos6507 wrote:
You are betting your future based on a map you found on a kooky aryan nation website???
What's kooky about it? What you really mean is that you disagree with some of the statements made there, but you're not eager to test your disagreement in debate. And it's not an Aryan Nations website. It's a non-religious White nationalist website. The Aryan Nations are otherwise known as the Church of Jesus Christ, Christian.
Joined: Apr 12, 2007 Posts: 1008 Location: Central NC
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 4:56 pm Post subject: Re: [Location] Considerations
Jenab6 wrote:
mos6507 wrote:
You are betting your future based on a map you found on a kooky aryan nation website???
What's kooky about it? What you really mean is that you disagree with some of the statements made there, but you're not eager to test your disagreement in debate. And it's not an Aryan Nations website. It's a non-religious White nationalist website. The Aryan Nations are otherwise known as the Church of Jesus Christ, Christian.
That is an interesting comment seeing as the people of Iran are Aryan.
Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan _________________ "The era of procrastination, of half-measures, of soothing and baffling expedients, of delays, is coming to a close. In its place we are entering a period of consequences…"
Sir Winston Churchill
Joined: Apr 03, 2004 Posts: 6349 Location: My Grandkids' Farm
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:59 pm Post subject: Re: [Location] Considerations
Jenab6 wrote:
mos6507 wrote:
You are betting your future based on a map you found on a kooky aryan nation website???
What's kooky about it? What you really mean is that you disagree with some of the statements made there, but you're not eager to test your disagreement in debate. And it's not an Aryan Nations website. It's a non-religious White nationalist website. The Aryan Nations are otherwise known as the Church of Jesus Christ, Christian.
We aren't going to debate it here.
Take it somewhere else. _________________ Make a plan and work it:
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