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rfahoss
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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 2:42 pm    Post subject: Oil Bidness Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Yes, I can spell business. Here in NW Louisiana it is pronounced bidness and we are in it for the long run. Some of my wells have been producing since 1930. We completed a new 7500 ft well two weeks ago to stick a new straw into a deeper structure than we have been working for the past 75 years. This country has more oil still in the ground than we have used since man invented the internal combustion engine. We simply have to stop preventing our energy companies from drilling for oil. Life as we know it depends on petroleum until and unless a more user friendly energy is discovered and that means back off all the contrived B.S. about Climate Warming and greenhouse gases. Just stick to the facts and science will solve our problems as it has since man started walking on his hind feet.
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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 2:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Oil Bidness Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Geez. I'm a newbie and even I'm dumbfounded by the deluge of first posts claiming that there's enough oil to fuel us to the end of time without any scientific theory to back up those claims.

Is this the kind of posts we have to look forward to with MSM putting PO out there?
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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 2:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Oil Bidness Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

A trillion barrels ... highly dubious.
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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 3:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Oil Bidness Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

rfahoss, do you have any authority for what you are saying?

Any references or links discussing your claims?

When you say "science will solve our problems", what are you basing that on?

HOW will science solve our problems?

What if science is part of the problem?
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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 4:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Oil Bidness Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

rfahoss wrote:
Some of my wells


Clearly you are in the oil business so please check out this forum and lets us know what you do in the oil business.

You make some pretty strong statements so I hope you can back those up with some substance.

Glad you are here. Hope you stick around.

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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 4:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Oil Bidness Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Wow, very impressive to pack so many ignorant thoughts into one small post.

First, this comment is hilarious . . .

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Just stick to the facts and science will solve our problems as it has since man started walking on his hind feet.


Tell that to the Tsunami victims. The great Potato Famine victims. The Black Plague victims. Thalidomide victims.

An indefensible and ignorant post based on that alone.

But then you throw in the "there's more oil in the ground than . . .".

There seems to be three types of DSEs arriving at the board.

1. Think Big Oil is sticking it to us.
2. Think there's plenty of oil, we just need to drill more.
3. Think alternatives are waiting and it will be simple to swap out.

Board Mods and such, perhaps it would be worth having a link/sticky type thing on the splash page to offer a one paragraph reply to each of these, or supply links to threads on topic, if for nothing else than to try to subdue some of the DSE 1st posts.
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 1:11 am    Post subject: Re: Oil Bidness Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

usncom wrote:
Geez. I'm a newbie and even I'm dumbfounded by the deluge of first posts claiming that there's enough oil to fuel us to the end of time without any scientific theory to back up those claims.

Is this the kind of posts we have to look forward to with MSM putting PO out there?


usncom, you're not a n00b you're a grasshoper or padawan Smile
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 6:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Oil Bidness Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

rfahoss wrote:
Yes, I can spell business. Here in NW Louisiana it is pronounced bidness and we are in it for the long run. Some of my wells have been producing since 1930. We completed a new 7500 ft well two weeks ago to stick a new straw into a deeper structure than we have been working for the past 75 years. This country has more oil still in the ground than we have used since man invented the internal combustion engine. We simply have to stop preventing our energy companies from drilling for oil. Life as we know it depends on petroleum until and unless a more user friendly energy is discovered and that means back off all the contrived B.S. about Climate Warming and greenhouse gases. Just stick to the facts and science will solve our problems as it has since man started walking on his hind feet.


you're right. I'll sell my bunker tomorrow.
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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2008 12:36 am    Post subject: Re: Oil Bidness Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

It is amazing at how unintelligent some people must be. Oil is the end result of a natural process starting with tiny one celled plants and animals common to the oceans of our fair planet. They live and multiply creating a veritable soup of plankton in our oceans, as they die and drift to the bottom of the sea, they are buried under silt and mud, cooked by the pressure of the rock that forms around them and change to petroleum trapped in sandstone and shale rock formations for millions of years. As the tektonic plates move and shift, these rock structures are compressed fractured and move up and down so that what was once the bottom of the sea becomes dry land and is now called Louisiana, Texas, Oklahoma and Arkansas. This process is ongoing and has been in process for eons in the past. Man was very inefficient in removing oil from under the ground. At first we simply pushed a straw of steel into an underground structure and natural gas pressure pushed oil, saltwater and distillates up through the straw. If the gas pressure played out we stopped producing the wells, then we decided to use the natural gas to run powerful engines that pumped oil and water to the surface. We separated the oil from the water and sold the oil, discarded the water and just flared off the excess natural gas. As the price of oil climbed the desire to recover all the oil left behind after the wells stopped flowing and lost their water flood and gas pressure, oil producers like me started using more modern and scientific ways to make oil wells produce again. Yes, there is more oil left in the sandstones and shales than we have taken out in the past. We use water flood to move oil to areas we have fractured and acidized so that we have a pool of oil that we now pump from deep undergroud using electricity to power the pumps. This electricity is produced by burning low sulphur coal which at last calculation, the U.S.A. had 200 years of supply left. I am just a small producer of oil from old leases that were considered played out by the big guys, but instead of crying over what is burned and gone I try to produce enough petroleum products to earn me a living and power your auto so you can go to work every day. Science is the power that created medicines, more reliable and economical engines of commerce. It certainly didn't cause an undersea earthguake and throw a huge wave over Thailand. I believe that may be called an act of God.
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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2008 11:31 am    Post subject: Re: Oil Bidness Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

So you are defeating the peak oil debate because you are a small operator producing stripper wells in Lousiana?

How much do you know about overseas production decline or discoveries? The absolute basics of peak oil.

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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 12:20 am    Post subject: Re: Oil Bidness Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

rfahoss wrote:
It is amazing at how unintelligent some people must be. Oil is the end result of a natural process starting with tiny one celled plants and animals common to the oceans of our fair planet. They live and multiply creating a veritable soup of plankton in our oceans, as they die and drift to the bottom of the sea, they are buried under silt and mud, cooked by the pressure of the rock that forms around them and change to petroleum trapped in sandstone and shale rock formations for millions of years. As the tektonic plates move and shift, these rock structures are compressed fractured and move up and down so that what was once the bottom of the sea becomes dry land and is now called Louisiana, Texas, Oklahoma and Arkansas. This process is ongoing and has been in process for eons in the past. Man was very inefficient in removing oil from under the ground. At first we simply pushed a straw of steel into an underground structure and natural gas pressure pushed oil, saltwater and distillates up through the straw. If the gas pressure played out we stopped producing the wells, then we decided to use the natural gas to run powerful engines that pumped oil and water to the surface. We separated the oil from the water and sold the oil, discarded the water and just flared off the excess natural gas. As the price of oil climbed the desire to recover all the oil left behind after the wells stopped flowing and lost their water flood and gas pressure, oil producers like me started using more modern and scientific ways to make oil wells produce again. Yes, there is more oil left in the sandstones and shales than we have taken out in the past. We use water flood to move oil to areas we have fractured and acidized so that we have a pool of oil that we now pump from deep undergroud using electricity to power the pumps. This electricity is produced by burning low sulphur coal which at last calculation, the U.S.A. had 200 years of supply left. I am just a small producer of oil from old leases that were considered played out by the big guys, but instead of crying over what is burned and gone I try to produce enough petroleum products to earn me a living and power your auto so you can go to work every day. Science is the power that created medicines, more reliable and economical engines of commerce. It certainly didn't cause an undersea earthguake and throw a huge wave over Thailand. I believe that may be called an act of God.



I have a question. What does it matter how oil was formed, how many trillions of barrels might be in shale etc etc, if we can't get it out of the ground & into production as fast as we use it? I thought that was the whole point of peak oil. We are running out of the easy cheap free flowing oil & turning to costly hard to extract heavy crude, not that there isn't any oil left in the ground. Did I miss something along the way?
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